PS5 Liquid Metal issues: TheCod3r addresses some questions in new video

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40 Responses

  1. TheCod3r says:

    Another great article guys. I wasn’t aware of any other techs reporting the issue but we saw this multiple times during my streams where the content didn’t end up as a main video on my channel. As you say it’s not a new issue, it’s simply just gaining the attention it needs now!

    I also want to thank you guys, because of your article my channel is being seen by people who wouldn’t otherwise see it. That’s amazing! If you ever want an interview on this subject or on any other topic I cover and specalize in my door is always open 🙂

  2. HeroKing says:

    there was some revision to the system some time back. i think it was mostly to make the system a few grams lighter, at the cost of some higher temps. would that make a difference in systems that are impacted and those not?

  3. cris says:

    disbilief of many till its their console dead due to liquid coolant leak.
    most companies dont bother to fix their design flaws . if it is out of warranty period it is customer prob not companies.
    Asus had a problem with battery drain while on plug while gaming they denied it even though it was a design flaw till warranty ended for most and silently they stoped selling it

  4. Rishca says:

    Same question as @heroking
    Does this discovered flaw affect all Ps5 revisions to date?
    Or can it be isolated to a specific revision ?

    • wololo says:

      What I’m hearing so far is that it impacts all known revisions, but that the issue isn’t widespread in the large scheme of things

  5. There isn’t really an issue from what I can see. All this is, is people not looking at the construction of the seal around the APU die. Sony have done a fine job of preventing LM leaking out side the perimeter. It’s people lifting off the plastic / foam shim breaking the silicone seal. None of which has been mentioned. Just need to look at the way it’s constructed to see there isn’t an issue. It’s people physically breaking the seal without realising it.
    If the seal is broken then you have to look at alternate methods. e.g… UV conformal coating, nail varnish ect.. or find the same silicone sealant shmoo and use that!
    If the seal is intact… the LM can pool anywhere it wants around the APU die. There will always be enough LM between the heatsink and APU die because it only there to fill in the microscopic pits (imperfections) between the silicon die and copper heatsink.

  6. RiskyBusiness says:

    “But attacking the integrity or the hands-on knowledge of repairmen, when you yourself have no practical experience on the issue, is a bit of a low blow in my opinion.”

    Welcome to the internet!

    • wololo says:

      Haha fair enough 🙂

    • someone says:

      remember ps3?
      everybody including all those very “knowledgable” repairmen were saying that the nec/tokin caps were always the issue when in reality they were just fine 99% of the time and the real issue was the rsx itself.
      never trust anyone on an undocumented issue.

      • recent ps3/ps4 modder says:

        I remember this, the faulty RSX leading to YLoD scandal was also responsible for the Xbox 360 RRoD scandal since Sony and Microsoft sourced the same provider for the chips’ composition.

        I still wonder why they changed from NEK/TOKIN to Tantalum in the 21xx series Slims though… misled? They did definitely improve the general soldering from Fat to first iteration 20xx Slims though which was great.

  7. NotCompletelyStupid says:

    This is the worst clickbait crock of *** i’ve ever read. Can tell from the first paragraph this is fearmongering to get more clicks and attention. You’re upset because you wrote a terrible article and people told you how stupid you are.
    For anyone who wants to know why this is stupid let me explain, a seal breaking around a cpu’s thermal paste, or liquid cooling is going to be a problem, but isnt a design flaw. More than likely someone has looked inside the console, and not put it back together correctly, causing sealing problem. That or the consoles been banged around possible while transporting or moving it. Cpus have been using liquid and paste coolants for decades in vertical positons, sometimes parts in electronics breaks and stuff goes where it shouldnt. This isnt a design flaw, just an unfortunate part breaking. This is a 2 year old system with only a few reported issues with the sealing on the liquid coolant. Not a design flaw, just a part breaking in a few sustems. The repairman is a scamartist looking for attention, feeding off these “journalists” to get attention while they feed off his feetmongering for clicks.

  8. Mike letherland says:

    My thoughts on this is why bother at all with LM? At the end of the day it’s not a cost saving measure so is going to cost a lot more than applying a decent thermal paste like Hydronaut and their temps would still be well within spec. LM is a nightmare to deal with at the best of times so to put it through all the transporting & handling of the PS5’s before it gets to it’s new home is very likely to allow it to pool in an area which then overflows due to gravity. I’ve also noticed on a lot of repair video’s that it seems Sony are using A LOT of LM which probably isn’t helping either as you only need a very fine, thin layer of LM and once the heatsink is applied it’ll spread out properly. One last thing I can think of is how are Sony applying the LM as usually it’s best to be applied by hand but I can’t see them doing that to every single PS5 they produce so it must be getting done by machine and I think that’s also where a fault lies in that it may be applying way too much LM and then not soaking up any excess!

  9. Charles Fasano says:

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one of the main reasons for this issue is how poorly shipping companies handle packages. Both FedEx and UPS tell you to pack your box so that it can withstand a 6 foot drop from all sides. ***? I’ve seen a number of videos from the Youtube channel TronixFix where the liquid metal has splashed out usually due to some significant jolt the PS5 had.

    • wololo says:

      Yeah that seems to be where this is headed. Then again, I’d love to see some experimental tests of how “rough” one has to be with the PS5 for the metal to start spilling

      • Mark Hamilton says:

        @wololo my friend (subcriber to wololo.net) told me the issue is MAINLY/ONLY affecting console that have been keep “untouched/still packaged” because theses leaking PS5 consoles where not plugged /played with a good amount of time in order for the CPU/Seal to HEAT and COLMATE the LM properly…. is that true… ? someone can confirm this story ?

        • wololo says:

          No this isn’t true AFAIK, that rumour might have originated from a misunderstanding on our end.

          The issue seems to impact consoles that have been shocked somehow, or at the very least, moved. The extent of the shock is the unknown factor for now.

          There is no evidence that this impacts consoles that have been kept untouched

  10. Where is Firstus says:

    Long time Vertical playstation user, looks like I’ll go horizontal when I get a Ps5, but damn I’ll miss vertical mainly coz horizontal has an atrociously large footprint plus vertical seems to improve airflow and cooling, but better safe than sorry.

  11. RiskyBusiness says:

    I wonder if it might be affecting a ‘batch’ of the PS5’s. From a specific lot, maybe tied to a run of bad applications of the LM? Were PS5’s assembled/manufactured in mutiple locations? Could this be a result of chip and worker shortages created by COVID? Wouldn’t be the first time an isolated error in manufacturing of complex electronic devices has occurred. Thus the need for continual quality control…

  12. IvanTheNotSoTerrible says:

    If you found design flaw describe what it is precisely and how to change design to fix it.
    So other people can independently confirm or refute your findings.
    If you can’t do this you have nothing more than (conspiracy) theory in your hands.

    • wololo says:

      In my (limited) experience it’s vastly different to be able to find a problem (as these repair shops have surfaced) and suggest the engineering techniques to fix it. So I think your comment is very flawed tbh. But in this case, the first suggestion I’ve seen is to stop with the liquid metal and go back to regular thermal paste, which in most professionals’ opinion should be enough for the PS5.

      So, really not sure where your comment is coming from.

      As far as being able to confirm the theory, there are enough claims from these repairmen for anyone to be able to confirm. Of course you’d need to have maybe a hundred of PS5s on your hands to be able to independently verify the problem. So technically only a few people/companies can do a statistically accurate confirmation here.

      • IvanTheNotSoTerrible says:

        Thermal paste should be enough?
        Please present working PS5 with LM replaced by thermal paste of brand.
        There are more than enough people that can repeat the process and confirm it as a viable solution.

        If is too hard / impossible to identify design flaw from couple of repair shop anecdotes lets stick with more simple explanations for the time being.
        Like “manufacturing defect” or “poor handling”.

        And you don’t need hundreds of consoles to confirm design flow. Design flow is present in every device by definition.
        So it should reliably manifest itself under certain conditions.
        Like it was with most famous design flow of all times x360 RRoD.

  13. Consolewaristupid says:

    Stupid stuff that Microsoft’s fanboys and Sony haters use in their stupid console war, honestly you’re all about clickbait and those who support you are those who don’t even have the ps5 and are easy to spot in other Sony bashing stuffs.

    The simple fact that you call anyone who have doubts about this thing a “Playstation fanboy” shows all that we need to know about you..

    • wololo says:

      LOL, you realize what site you’re on, right?

      • RiskyBusiness says:

        I’m curious. Tell all the haters how much time each week you put into running this site and digging up new info to keep everyone (or most everyone) coming back?

  14. Blaine Hamilton says:

    Liquid Metal itself isn’t a bad product. The issue we are seeing here is excess and / or messy automated application, improper protection methods around the cpu die, and poor physical handling properties that can exacerbate movement resulting in spillage and shorting.

    It’s a failure due to a perfect storm; Sony does a *** job dumping more on the cpu die than is needed, uses a cheap mylar sticker or porous foam to ‘protect’ the die smd components, and has no control that the console may be treated like a football during handling.

    The best circumvention method an end user can use is to keep the console on a horizontal plane. It’s simple physics, hence the practical content of the article in question.

    Comparing this issue to x360 rrod practically100% failure rate is a bit excessive at this point. That was another perfect storm caused by inadequate thermal design and improper soldering methods during an era of transition between older lead based solder types and also new cpu backfill materials. In that case there was nothing the user could do to alleviate the risk. Just like a YLOD PS3 launch console, it was eventually going to fail and there was NOTHING you could do about it.

    Keep em flat Boys and Girls. They will last longer.

  15. Cecil says:

    Wow those liquid metal sure looks very much more flowy then the thermal paste used in PCs. Trying to contain a liquid with only foam enclosure and plastic wrapping as seal on one side when you put the console in vertical is just dumb. Definitely a design flaw no doubt.

  16. JorgeP says:

    For the record, thermal paste is not recommended in PS5 acording to this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbX_UjhgpGU

    As I have read, liquid metal was chosen to avoid fan noise that was a constant complain in PS4 times. We will see what Sony has to say about leaking (and if this is a constant vertical PS5 position issue) but thermal paste does not seem to be a proper solution anyway.

    • wololo says:

      Interesting. As a complete layman myself I was wondering if they had chosen the liquid metal in part for the “marketing” effect, but i’s good to know there are legit technical reasons for the choice.

  17. ThetechDoc says:

    As an IT tech, from the moment it was known they would be using liquid metal on the ps5, I immediately feared for longevity and reparability, even if the unit did not leak, that metal will eventually eat away at that dye, and now that it has been confirmed to be leaking that just adds a further layer to it.

    I cannot understand how they didn’t create a deeper pot and coat the outside areas of the chip,

    I have already had about 10 people come into my shop and ask us to look at their ps5s as they just went POP all of a sudden and now wont turn back on, due to them being under warranty we of course direct them to Sony first before a third party repair centre , but I have to assume at least half of the customers I have seen with dead ps5s would be due to this issue.

  18. Rob says:

    Widespread issue or not.Its still good to keep in mind if you are tinkering around in there..had my PS5 vertical since launch and never gave it a thought.That said it still doesn’t hurt to be knowledgeable about the situation. Thx!

  19. Brian Schubert says:

    There is no “attacking”. what’s wrong with this generation? No one is “attacking” anyone, words are nothing. This is nothing. This comment is probably also similar to what you are calling “attacking” which just bothers the heck out of me tbh. Bunch of ******. Oh no better watch out for those sharp words. Might get injured. Give me a break.