Do we need the Steam Deck?

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47 Responses

  1. ryanrudolf says:

    pre-order for the 512GB version. initially it showed up as Q3 2022, but now it shows up as Q2 2022! excited!

  2. Jesse says:

    Yes, there is a huge demand for a powerful handheld PC. The GPD Wins are pretty awesome, but their QC, after-sale service and support, and general foul-ups kind of ruined their reputation. I want a Steam Deck, but I think it’s still a bit too under-powered and will wait for benchmarks. I prefer a physical keyboard (clamshell design FTW) and user-replaceable SSD like in GPD’s lineup. I may wait for a newer gen device with Zen 3/4 but at this price point I may become an early adopter. I would love adequate PS2/Switch emulation on the go and interested in how these perform.

  3. Seanp2500 says:

    Don’t be alarmed just my advice

    Well my take is games games games. It is all about the games you can play. At 400 with poor battery life give me a switch anyday. While I am sure it will be impressive for several years the switch has an established library and user base now. Once modded i can run things like android 10 on a switch. Currently I am playing through shining force 3. Heck i can run 3ds games on my switch. Did i mention it is cheaper and has great nintendo games one can play? So mark my words. You can wait till the end of time this will NEVER move more units than nintendo already has and is still selling. The eventual nail in the coffin is the pace of pc game tech. You will quite quickly run into games i feel which won’t play quite “right” on this device. Those games being designed for higher res and more powerful gpu.

    Gaming laptops do not truly exist. They cost too much and take too much to power. Due to this they also suffer from poor battery life. This will suffer from similar problems. Problems nintendo has solved.

    The cool thing about computers is you can push gaming to the limit. Max out res and textures. You do not want a gimped pc on the go you can also dock. Yes with the shortages is SOUNDS tempting but in the long run i will still be fussing about with emu on a modded switch having tons of fun…likely playing a very similar game library along with tons of big N exclusives to boot on my switch. I pronounce this:

    D.O.A.

    Dead on arrival..

  4. Rom Yaroshevsky says:

    LOL… Verge still being idiots and not getting their info right. how can you compare graphics ddr6 to the system ram (lpddr5). those are not quite the same thing, in theory yes, but in practical outcome; they’re used differently by the system… ANYWAYS, i have mine already reserved for Q1 2022!!

  5. Jack ATtack says:

    While there may not be much hacking opportunity there is a lot of DEVELOPMENT opportunity going on here. And what is hacking these days? It’s NOTHING like it used to be. If you remove 4 people these hardware hacking scenes would be virtually dead. It’s seriously that boring and lame. No one can be bothered anymore so you have a handful of geniuses that carry the weight and then some parasites that work off that.

    That’s it. The Switch should have been blown wide open already and compared to its audience size and sales, it is a pittance of hacking compared to the Vita. Either people have become too deferential to the corporations and don’t want to “hurt them” so they wait way too long. Or people just don’t care as much anymore because of hardware like this popping up everywhere. There’s little reason left to “hack”.

    But to code better compatibility layers or better linux os’ that would give you a nice compact and fast gaming system OS, well I see that being VERY interesting now with such compatible hardware. So long as Valve and AMD don’t act stupid. Which I wouldn’t bet on.

  6. GabeN says:

    Wow this article is dog ***, did you do any research here or did you just grab sound bytes from other equally unresearched articles.

    Valve literally stated they’re working with several common anti cheat developers to make sure their software will work on Linux via Proton.

    What “track record” are we talking about here? All the hardware that Valve themselves developed and released, steam controller, steam link, and the index vr headset, has been high quality and valve has decent enough customer support should you run into any issues.

    4 hours of battery life playing an older PC game is pretty comparable to the Switch, especially the launch model which got 3ish hours of battery life playing BOTW.

    I can go on.

  7. mar2ck says:

    GPD win, Aya neo, OneXplayer cost a fortune, Steam Deck has already differentiated itself by actually being an affordable price. And Valve actually repair their products unlike GPD support who run you around in circles

  8. Einy says:

    It’s not a good console, see it in future.

    • HappyGamer says:

      I’m a heavy portable gamer at home. This product is definitely niche but it targets the crowd who likes playing from the comfort of bed, laying or sitting on a couch, or even toilet like you mentioned in the article. I have the switch and vita so it is not really something I need to have. i will probably snag one, once it becomes cheaper. I can see folks not liking this thing in about 2-3 years.

  9. eldopa says:

    LOL at other handheld PC argument. They all start at 1000 USD and are way slower than Steam Deck which starts at 399 USD. I always wanted to buy GPD or Aya but not for 1k USD. I can afford it but it’s just not worth that much. Deck is better in every way at half the price. If that’s not exciting, I don’t know what is.

    And about the Steam Machines. AFAIK the general reaction was completely different than journos say, because everyone rediculed the idea. And now all of the sudden everyone brings that up and say that ppl were excited about Steam Machines LOL. They weren’t! Stop chainging history so you can ‘prove’ your point.

    • Jimmy says:

      *** are you on about? Unless that RDNA 2 enabled APU in the Steam Deck can be confirmed to have Ray-Tracing support it’s dead in the water compared to my i7 Win 3. 1.6 teraflops for the GPU compared to the i7 Win 3’s 2.46 teraflops (max). 2.4 to 3.6 ghz for the Steam Decks CPU at a default tdp of 15w is certainly easily beaten by the i7 Win 3’s CPU at 2.8 to 4.7 ghz (max). As for the price difference, sure you got a valid point but an extra $249 over the base price for 512 GB NVME storage? That’s downright extortionate. Hey-ho. Your money and choice.

      • eldopa says:

        Yea right. Win 3 with its *** GPU and *** RAM. Prepare to be disappointed with your 2000 USD paperweight once the Deck hits the deck. Not to mention that tiny-butt 5,5 inch screen and poor controls LMAO xD

        GPD Win 3 Buyers remorse already? The Deck is not even out yet xD

      • BubBob says:

        Portables using real time ray tracing, a technology that’s still recent and has opportunity for vast performance increases in future GPU generations? LOL.

        The specs of the Win3 are indeed better than the Deck, but the price of the Win3 is 90% higher than the 256gb Deck model.

        Also the ‘extortionate’ price increase is kinda crappy, but it’s typical of prebuilt laptops/PCs.

        • Jimmy says:

          Of course I wasn’t serious, just pointing out that it was technically possible as per the specifications of 1 RT core per CU for RDNA 2.

      • Jamal says:

        I have one thing to say about your super expensive Win 3: 5,5inch. Thank you.

        • Jimmy says:

          Erm, TV out? It is a fixed resolution of 1280×720/800 that both will be gaming at not something super detailed by modern standards. A bigger screen will only highlight how poor that resolution is. And TBH, unless you have poor eyesight it is not a problem. It certainly wasn’t for Nintendo when they release the Switch Light or Sony, when they released the PS Vita with it’s 5 inch screen. Gamers still lapped them up in their millions.

          • Jamal says:

            Erm, TV out? So you bought a handheld device to plug it into your TV? You know you could buy a desktop PC, right? And for the price of Win 3 it would be way better than the Win 3.

            The screen size has nothing to do with eyesight LOL. It’s about the experience. It’s like saying you don’t need a 65 inch TV cause you could get a 32 incher, unless you have a bad eyesight, then go for the 65 inch xD Vita was 5 inch and 540p. You have 5,5 inch for 720p. I have Linx Vision, it’s 720p/800p and has 8 inch screen and boy, even at that resolution it looks great. I have both Vita and Switch and compared to them I think 8 inch screen is the perfect size and 720p looks very sharp as well. Can’t really go back to under 6 inch now tbh. It’s just different and better experience all together. OFC Linx Vision is just piece of c**p nowadays, but the screen size is perfect. I suspect 7 inch will be great as well. 5,5 inch? In 2021? That’s a huge lol.

            You seem to think that above 5,5 inch is too big for 720p. Tell that to people with 55+ inch inch 1080p TVs 😀 It’s basically unusable! 10 times bigger screen and only twice the pixel count. MADNESS! 😀

            720p at 7 inch (Steam Deck) is 215.63 PPI. 4k at 55 inch is 80.11 PPI. Man, you really have to hate your 4k TV if you think that 7 inch with 215.63 PPI display looks bad.

            Maybe go buy 3,5 inch screen and install it in your Win 3, after all, a bigger screen will only highlight how poor that resolution is. Your words, not mine 😀

          • Jamal says:

            Erm, TV out? So you bought a handheld device to plug it into your TV? You know you could buy a desktop PC, right? And for the price of Win 3 it would be way better than the Win 3.

            The screen size has nothing to do with eyesight. It’s about the experience. It’s like saying you don’t need a 65 inch TV cause you could get a 32 incher, unless you have a bad eyesight, then go for the 65 inch. Vita was 5 inch and 540p. You have 5,5 inch for 720p. I have Linx Vision, it’s 720p/800p and has 8 inch screen and boy, even at that resolution it looks great. I have both Vita and Switch and compared to them I think 8 inch screen is the perfect size and 720p looks very sharp as well. Can’t really go back to under 6 inch now tbh. It’s just different and better experience all together. OFC Linx Vision is bad nowadays, but the screen size is perfect. I suspect 7 inch will be great as well. 5,5 inch? In 2021?

            You seem to think that above 5,5 inch is too big for 720p. Tell that to people with 55+ inch inch 1080p TVs 😀 It’s basically unusable! 10 times bigger screen and only twice the pixel count. Madness.

            720p at 7 inch (Steam Deck) is 215.63 PPI. 4k at 55 inch is 80.11 PPI. Man, you really have to hate your 4k TV if you think that 7 inch with 215.63 PPI display looks bad.

            Maybe go buy 3,5 inch screen and install it in your Win 3, after all, a bigger screen will only highlight how poor that resolution is. Your words, not mine.

            Mods are sleeping? It’s the 3rd time I post this comment and still nothing.

      • John says:

        APU with RDNA 2 VS trash intel integrated gpu xD

        • Jimmy says:

          Nothing is ever future proof so it’s not a fair comparison as the Steam Deck was not available until after the Win 3 was finished and being sold.

        • Arnie says:

          Typical AMD fanboy attitude.

          You do realise that the win 3 has the tiger lake intel XE iGPU right? this isn’t just some nothing intel HD from a few years back. the 96EU one in the i7 is more powerful than their dedicated GPU they put out for OEMs to be ripped off with.

          Not to mention that the 96EU XE is actually about 10% more powerful than that RDNA 2 APU. The major plusses with the AMD APU are the LPDDR5 RAM (which is BIG), AMDs drivers are better than intels and Valves price – which is basically unbeatable.

          Bottom line is; learn your *** before trying to trash talk, before going ZoMg InTeL tRaSh hUeHuEhUe.

  10. Not Firstus says:

    NOT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

  11. banana jones says:

    *** yeah *** we need it you shut up rn

    • banana jones says:

      btw valve’s hardware has always been good, idk if they can be considered flops, valve just didnt see enough sustained profit to keep going with them, the products themselves are great

  12. qlum says:

    Personally as someone who already games on Linux, coincidentally (arch + KDE Plasma) I would feel right at home. I would probably use it during my daily commute, in bed and on vacation. So even if it’s less successful, it’s a great device for me personally.

    However, for long term success, the most important things Valve really needs to get right is this:
    Stability of the system, game / steam freezes / plasma crashes are a pain on a system like this. Where on a desktop / laptop killing the process is easy enough, on these handhelds less so.

    I see threads about running Windows but personally I don’t think it’s well suited for a device like this at all. On Windows nagware / updates popping up on a game console are unnecessary and annoying, if you just want to run your game on steam. A clean Linux distro is just going to give you a much nicer experience. Providing the game actually works on Linux.

  13. Carlos says:

    With shortage of chips components, the ps5 or xbox series x, steam also run with this situation is very hard to buy.

  14. stophart says:

    Screen must be OLED panel. i don’t want to lcd screen in 2022. we can use oled in vita already.

  15. Jimmy says:

    Lol at Wololo censoring the posts by removal. Whatever.

  16. Sh4d0w927 says:

    My plan is to have No Man’s Sky and Nier Automata playable without being tied to a desk or TV. Anything else is just a bonus after that. I don’t have a plethora of graphically intensive games. Mine are more Shantae, Neptunia, River City Ransom/Girls. This will be perfect for any of these type games that haven’t already been ported over to switch.

  17. Hussain says:

    looking forward to see it being exploited one day to make a great emulator. specially for PS2 and gamecube

  18. John says:

    I’m just excited to use it for emulation. The portable emulation scene isn’t the best. 3DS and Vita are too weak. Switch is decent, but finding one that can be hacked is hard and ends up making it much more expensive than it’s worth. Laptops aren’t portable in the practical sense.

    You’re basically restricted to Chinese handhelds that run old versions of Android. Like the GPD for example.

    This seems like something that will be powerful enough to emulate any system, besides the most intensive (PS3, 360, cycle accurate emulators) all for a good price. And you don’t even have to hack it, since it can run Windows natively.

    MicroSD storage will be great for this too. Not great for actual games, but more than fine for ROMs.

    I guess we’ll see how it goes, but this is the first piece of tech I’ve been excited for in many years.

    • Not a Stem employee says:

      These were also my first thoughts. Emulation on other portable devices is fragmented, usually down to the OS and hardware limitations. This potentially has the power to run systems to around PS3 era (PS3 emulation has really come on the last 12-24 months), for a portable device, this is very tempting. Having Windows available as an officially supported OS makes this way easier for your average user to modify things too!

      The issue I have with this OP is the bias, and failure to compare with devices of the same portable category. We have the PS5 and Xbox, both fine devices designed to play the latest AAA titles (in a fixed location). The Steam Deck is potentially so much more than that. If a dock is available, it could well be a Switch killer, sure playing the latest Nintendo Switch games on the Steam Deck may be possible, its not going to give the same experience, but throw in the ability to play a huge library of titles from a verity of systems from the genesis of video games, is way more appealing than the Wii recycled stuff often thrown our way. We’ve not even started on customization!

      To think of the Steam Deck as just a portable AAA games console is very short-sighted.

      Having hardware specifications of other portable devices would be far more helpful and transparent, comparing with such a range of home consoles is rather pointless. One as a “benchmark” sure, come on guys, open your mind (Insert total recall meme, lol)

  19. NateT21 says:

    Honestly, I would rather add a few more bucks and grab a decent gaming laptop, more screen real estate, more processing power, and definitely more storage

  20. srmoska says:

    if it runs better than my i5-3210m laptop it’s chaper to buy this than to replace my laptop

  21. Gamb says:

    Mini handheld PC for only 400 dollars ? Yes i need. All games from Steam. Install windows and you have Battlenet, Epic Store and others.
    Nintendo switch no more need it. Witcher low resolution low grpahics, 25fps drops, same for Doom.
    I dont play Nintendos exclusives. So for me its a great alternative.

  22. Gamb says:

    Its a great Switch alternative 400 dollars.
    Nintendo OLED with specs from 2016….for 350 dollars. Bad ports and useless Mario and pokemons games.

  23. Fabian says:

    You should have mentioned that Valve is working hard on Proton to support anti-cheat systems so that all games are compatible when Steam Deck launches. That’s their promise. Mine is ready to arrive in December, I cannot wait 🙂

  24. kokoda says:

    If this allows me to play Yakuza series on the move, then it’s day one buy for me

  25. Jgr9 says:

    Shut up! You’re not my real wallet!

  26. Snippy says:

    I wanted a steam portable console based around the steam controller idea since 2016, when the steamboy was first announced. I’m not sure if it’s needed. I’m certain of it.

    Beside both it and the smach zero died in a fire because of incompetence, so might as well let the pro do it instead.

  27. fasd says:

    This comparison is completely stupid.
    You should not compare a stationary Console with a Handheld.
    The PS5 and Xbox Series Devices would drain the Battery of the SteamDeck within some Minutes completely. And the cooling solution of the SteamDeck would never be able to cool (and probably run) the APUs in the other consoles.

    • JamesCameron says:

      Your comparison is also stupid, just because one is “portable” doesn’t mean that he can’t compare the power, it’s the same architecture tard.

      • marno says:

        Of course, you can compare it, but it is a completely unfair comparison.
        The APU in the SteamDeck will run on a way lower Power-Target. And it will never reach the performance of a same-gen non-portable System. The Battery and Colling System cannot handle those APUs.
        The Xbox Series S will consume about 40W just sitting in the Dashboard doing nothing. While the SteamDeck APU is designed to run at max 15W.

  28. zero says:

    I’ll have mine Q1 next year. I am most excited to load up Windows 11, with the Android apps, and all the emulation possibilities.

  29. EmberAegis says:

    Moonlight and other streaming programs exists for exactly the bed/couch/bathroom scenario described, and can just borrow the power of my PC to play my whole collection on a Vita, so a big part of the Steam Deck’s use case is lost there for me.
    That said, the expanded input options, general PC functionality, emulation potential (while not streaming), and potentially cool user interface could still bridge the gap. I’ll wait and see.

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  31. Lukas Juszczak says:

    Need? No. Want? OH, SO VERY MUCH.