Just my 2 cents: The Gamer-Developer Contract

33 Responses

  1. FIRST says:

    FIRST

    • Back to the future with you says:

      No!! i was first…just cause you made a time machine and went back to beat my time that doesnt make you first…it just makes you a CHEAT.

  2. Guillaume says:

    Hey bro, there’s a typo : specially instead of especially.
    It was a pleasure to read that.

  3. roswell108 says:

    Feels even better when you buy the online pass for $10 and realize the server is abandoned.

    You find yourself trying to persuade your friend that they should buy one when they’re already at your house playing it.

  4. deathblade200 says:

    well when it comes to the dlc thats when “piracy” (if you can even call it that anymore after the files can no longer be legit downloaded) comes into play same with GFWL I remove that *** out of every game that has it GFWL is nothing but bloatware…..as for the online thing workarounds were made for psp games for example just not many people used it such as Xlink KAI….with that being said I still play the original Doom and Doom II online so a game is never to old to play online

  5. crazygmaer says:

    I agree with you they need to start respecting we the consumer. With out us they can kiss all that hard work and fortune good bye. So you would think/hope that they would put us first instead of their stupid “licensed not sold” bull*** since its us paying top dollar for products.

  6. ishygdaft says:

    The age of digital distribution is the end of consumer rights, I only ever buy games with a nice single player, multiplayer will eventually die with any chosen game and I really really hate the fact that we “rent” out games and devices. “Can’t install this firmware, can’t modify that file, is it too old? Well the fun dies as soon as we’re tired of it or have the next big thing”. Bleh.

  7. RinsibleGrain02 says:

    After reading the article and some comments I believe the only way these people can realize that we are the ones that make their business is to stop buying games for one day. I’ll be nice if we could start that, just imagine how many millions they wont make because nobody bought the games for one day.

    • arthanis says:

      I like this idea very much. The concept of a buying strike may have developers and publishers hearing our voice. It’s a very nice idea indeed.

      • Darth Agnon says:

        We should do it! (I hardly ever buy games, anyway, mostly stick with the ones I’ve got or 1S0z (sorry)) I imagine Wololo could manage to organise something like this, given his connections and the size of the Wololo community. BTW, Great article, @arthanis! I agree completely! Wish most games had LAN and IP-based Infrastructure multiplayer, allowing server switching, e.g. when the official server goes down, just use an unofficial server. This would future-proof games.

    • Reprep says:

      I totally agree with you. That is the only reason i am not buying Freedom Wars even i loved the demo and the gameplay videos.

  8. Gaze says:

    I like how you have Capcom as an example. However, your real example should have been Monster Hunter Frontier G. You have to buy the game, pay to play, pay to win, and to make things worse, there is no offline portion of the game. So once the servers die (Which can happen whenever, if it hasn’t already) you lose everything. Capcom knew Vita players were hurting for a MH title…

  9. alevan says:

    While I’m a pro-digital user, even I think you are right. And this is where the scene comes into play in my view. The scene and the hacking enthusiast will always help us ease of acess to our favorite games and even multiplayer, even tough developers, publishers and console manufacturers abandon their product after a time.

  10. rclr says:

    OnLive is closing down too.. Sony trying to get its patent.

    “After April 30, 2015, our data centers will shut down and the service will be offline. All accounts will be closed, and all data deleted including game save data, achievements, and credit card data will be deleted. If you purchased a Steam game from OnLive, that game will still be available on Steam. No refunds will be available for any game purchases, hardware purchases, or subscriptions.”

  11. rolenzo says:

    I have been thinking about this for a while. I have a huge digital collection of games on ps3 and ps4. And I worry that 8, 10 years from now those purchases will meam nothing.

    But I always remember that piracy and modification should be available by that time to allow us to access our digital content.

    • laflex says:

      ^^^^this!!!! I am Digital Only… and i purchase games IMO for LIFE…

      Yes i will still want to play ALL of the HD metal gear games when I am old and grey…

      Isn’t that the right i payed for?

  12. ModChipGuy says:

    Get ready to bend over and start taking it in the next 5-10 years when no games will be released via tangible media.

  13. bluedan02 says:

    Just look at Destiny : You cant even play without being online. I mean, you dont NEED to be online to do most of the story anyways. But if, when Destiny 2 gets out, they take off the servers, then goodbye Destiny. Every player will have a 60$ paperweight (or a nice 40gb? of unusable space). This is complete ***, because even if they would let you play the story alone, you wouldnt be able to host a raid.

  14. Walnut says:

    I totally agree with the sentiment of this article but Battlefield 2 on PC has a fan-made revival patch which brings online back. It’s silly that EA didn’t patch their own official solution though on a game that popular

    • Pirate Cat says:

      I’d venture a guess and say they didn’t patch it because they want players to buy the new BF if they want online.

      Some games don’t even require downloading anything to run a dedicated server, for example, UT04 let’s you configure and start one through the game. I agree with much of this article, no access to patches or other content beyond a closed system only leads to potential problems.

  15. lmao says:

    there’s always a backlash, and you got to decide wether you gonna buy HD remake or not.

  16. braveheartleo says:

    When I first read the title I thought to myself, “Hey, that’s ‘Social Contract’ a la Rousseau in gaming.” Unfortunately, with how Capitalism works, which the gaming world of today operates in, this may never be.

  17. Kotomine Kirei says:

    I think that is wrong for them to push people towards new games by making the previous releases lose features, have bugs, and what not.

    Anyway, as for our “consumer rights”, well, I do not think that we have had those for a long time now.
    Our rights, in general (well, in the US, as I am unsure about other countries’ rights and whether they have problems or not. Sorry about my lack of knowledge there.), are being taken (or have been taken), yet no one is doing anything about it (well, maybe a few are, but that is not enough)
    Rather, some seem to be embracing it, as a result of the propaganda being put into the news.

    Apathy and fear have taken hold of humanity, and so, rights are easily taken without resistance.
    It is like a massive example of the “bystander effect” which describes “that someone is less likely to help another if other potential helpers are present than otherwise”.

    People need to realize that “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” and that, “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    Sorry for most of this being slightly unrelated.

  18. Dockotis says:

    I read this article and I have 2 things to say…
    1. These my 2 cents articles hitting nails on the head.
    2. This is why I wait some time to purchase a digital game to see how key figures (modders) in the community accept it. If they have problems with it, I don’t touch it. However, other than Stream, every other game I bought is usually in physical medium. When digital distro of games becomes the only way, I will make it a mission to find a way to rig a physical working copy out of some storage option. When systems become too locked down and restricting (in example no use AT ALL unless connected to the internet to verify no mods and for console maker to sniff your consoles data), I’ll be completely done… Even now I don’t own a Xbox One or PlayStation 4… Their purchase cannot be justified to me with how they work… And backwards compatibility is *** with them in my opinion… The Wii U on the other hand is a little more open, and can be modded fairly easy (vWii) to be able to play any game from any system they released with beautiful compatibility! I mean, they included almost the entire Wii system inside the Wii U much like the Vita has an ePSP, but they don’t restrict you from exploiting it, and essentially every update to date on the Wii U has made no attempt to block said exploits…
    Regardless, EULAs are stripping away consumer rights, but the funny part is, usually you are supposed to agree before you use the software for it to be legally binding… What then if they don’t present you with a means to agree before use? Also, shouldn’t they give you an opt-in to see and agree before purchase for physical medium? If they don’t, and I bought it, as far as I’m concerned, it’s my disk/cartridge, and I can modify it (and the data) in anyway I please because I never once agreed on anything, nor was presented with a means to read and agree prior to purchase. The only thing they got afterwards is I cannot distribute anything publicly with their own specialized code, but then that’s law. Their EULA is not written in law, it’s just an agreement they need you to accept so they can tell you they assume no liability, and that your rights are nerfed. By accepting it, you unfortunately become legally bound.

    • arthanis says:

      Sorry, but I don’t know what “nails in the head” means. If it’s good, thanks. If it’s not, what do you think is wrong?
      Also, are you talking about all the series or only about this specific article?

      • Kotomine Kirei says:

        I know that this is an old comment, but I figured that I would post this anyway.

        TL;DR – Yes, it is good, and it seems that they were talking about all of the articles.

        By “hitting nails on the head”, they were probably using it with the meaning of the saying “hit the nail on the head”.
        It means, “To identify something exactly; to arrive at exactly the right answer.”

        If you were trying to hammer a nail in a wall, you would want to hit the nail on the “head”, and not hit your fingers or the wall, right?
        So, they are saying that the articles show the correct problems.

        As for “talking about all the series or only about this specific article?”, they seem to be talking about all of the articles on the site that have “my 2 cents” in their titles.

  19. GosuSan says:

    Well, I see myself going BACK in my game-history quite some time now.
    I agree completly with what you say, and my consequence is:

    I’ve gone back to the games I loved to play, and can still play and host (dedicated servers)
    or enjoy hours of gameplay on singleplayer without stupid online-only GameLaunchers.

    There are enough games out there, mostly for a few dollars / euros that are plain awesome,
    okay, the graphics may not be the best, that is not the most important part of a game
    (at least for me and many others).

    And all of this may even be the reason why I’m here, because 80% of my Games I play on my Vita are
    not even Vita games but emulated games I played 10 years ago.

  20. ZeroSbr says:

    Freedom Wars is not a hidden gem on the Vita. It’s in the top ten games on GameFAQs.

    • ZeroSbr says:

      But that aside, I must agree. Software is licensed, not sold? ***. I bought the game, I can do what I like with it aside from distributing it online.