Did Sony lose the “know-how” on the PSP?
The Vita is progressively pushing its older sister out of the picture, and even though Japan is still seeing a few releases for the PSP, it is clear now that Sony is focusing on the Vita and the PS3. More than 2 weeks after the leak of a PSP Kernel exploit inside the Vita’s PSP emulator, followed by the release of an eCFW by Total_Noob (which, technically, enables PSP piracy on the Vita), no update on the horizon.
Back in the days of the PSP, it was not unusual to see each Kernel exploit followed by a firmware patch from Sony within a few days. This time, although Total_Noob revealed his Kernel exploit 2 weeks ago, we have yet to see firmware 1.82 and its obligatory “stability improvements”.
Now, the situation is not that bad for Sony. First, even though the Kernel exploit is potentially still here, Sony’s services were relatively quick to remove the exploited games involved with the hack. To clarify once again, the games are not where the Kernel exploit lies, they are just an entry point to the exploit, through a User mode exploit. What this means is that the exploit is still here on 1.81, and anybody with a new user mode exploit could get access to it (for those who missed both the Urbanix and the Mad blocker alpha exploits). Technically, Sony is still in “danger” of seeing more people getting access to this exploit, until the next firmware revision.
Some people close to Sony have told me numerous times that Sony don’t really care about the PSP emulator on the Vita, which is way they don’t care too much about patching those exploits… and yet, surely the amount of money they’re getting from PSP sales on the PSN from Vita owners must not be negligible… Well after all maybe it is (I estimate that less than 3% of Vita owners have access to TN’s Kernel exploit), and maybe that’s why they don’t care too much about fixing it too fast?
But I have another theory: isn’t it possible that Sony has lost some critical Know-how on the PSP? As their engineers moved to the Vita, with a different CPU architecture, a whole new Kernel and firmware systems, surely the PSP-dedicated teams must be shrinking, and so does the knowledge of the system. I’m of course making a wild guess here, but could it explain why they decided to patch the Monster Hunter exploit directly from the Vita, rather than doing it inside the PSP Emulator, like they had done so far? Is it that running QA on the PSP emulator ads too much overhead in a new firmware, that they are afraid to touch the PSP firmware when they do a new release?
This is again a wild theory absolutely not based on insider info, but from what I have been told by the people who have looked into Kermit and other PSP-emulator related stuff inside the Vita, the people who implemented the PSP emulator on the Vita did not seem to be really aware of how the security works on the PSP, making some critical mistakes along the way.
Between that, the relatively long waiting time for the yet-to-be-seen firmware 1.82, and the “let’s patch the vita OS rather than the PSP firmware for PSP exploits” attitude, I am wondering if Sony has progressively lost technical knowledge on their own device, as their engineer teams moved on to other projects…
Do you guys think it might be possible today that some hackers actually know much more about the PSP than Sony themselves?
well , IMO sony’s still investigating about how to patch this exploit without causing any crashes on the PSP emulator itself
So much lame news lately :(…
Can’t have a kernel exploit every week 🙂
lol ingrates…
Homebrew does hurt the sales for Sony. They want you to be on the psn store pretty much 24/7 its a win lose win lose situation
Win- you bought a game from the psn for the exploited
lose- you could pirate games on tn-a
win- they update psvita. You downlo ad it by accident. To play new games you need to update
lose- you don’t update,stay on the exploited
Maybe they are patching the exploits at the Vita firmware level because its security is still intact. That is, you cannot currently hack the Vita system, merely the PSP portion of the Vita.
I dont think its a matter of them losing the ‘know-how’ of the PSPs system, i just think its coz what i listed above!
The SDK for PS Mobile is out. Cant we make an app that will load the exploit from Vita XMB (Is it called the XMB in the Vita???)
There has to be an app maker so instead of finding holes in games and savegames just make an app that will load the PSP Emulator and exploit that.
For me its a lost in term’s of knowledge on the system, cause hacker can do/hack sony system and even though they will provide high security on the system hacker will definitely find its way to touch that system like eCFW. Maybe hacker seeing it as a challenge. =)
It is not really a secret that sony manages its dev teams stupidly. They gave the development of the ps2 to the team in charge of hifi and appliances stuffs rather than letting the team that brillantly brought the ps1 to the top continue its work on the ps2.
So I won’t be surprised at all if it happens that sony gave the vita dev to another team that the one in charge of the psp.
The reason they’re taking so long to release the new firmware is that they’re going to remove the PSP emulator, just like they took away Linux on the PS3. Sony: “You going to use our ‘gift’ to you as a way to hack ‘our’ system! No PSP for anyone!!!”
Unless someone finds a way to use it to get to UVL I find it highly unlikely. Other os enticed people to buy a ps3 that had no desire to ever buy a game or accessory in order to get a top of the line pc for well under cost at the time. Systems do not make money, it is content thereafter. Removing the psp emulator would cost sony potential revanue as well as making 3rd parties upset. Psp games are digital… No manufacturing costs involved, so it is all bank.
Too many people have paid for PSP games that do not own a PSP Sony will not remove support because people would be very angry.
Maybe you’re right, maybe they don’t care because it’s all PSP emulation. Wait and see what happend when the actual VITA FW gets messed with though.
“Between that, the relatively long waiting time for the yet-to-be-seen firmware 1.82, and the “let’s patch the vita OS rather than the PSP firmware for PSP exploits” attitude, I am wondering if Sony has progressively lost technical knowledge on their own device, as their engineer teams moved on to other projects…”
I don’t think they “lost” technical knowledge; surely there must be a database of information – maybe you meant ‘technical capability’ (workforce of IT and engineering personnel being shifted as you’ve mentioned)
“Do you guys think it might be possible today that some hackers actually know much more about the PSP than Sony themselves?”
Sony v hackers: I think Sony knows more about the PSP in absolute terms (besides IP, materials testing, marketing, business strategy, etc.); but if we talk about relative terms (which I think you meant the software side of things), surely there must be a subset of individuals who know more or at least have equal knowledge about the PSP software.
In essence, no. However PSP Vita & PSP are different products and as a basic in-house security it would be obv. that these are seperated and one can not look from VITA development info to PSP development info. I hardly doubt the “info” is lost. As for the reason why 1.82 isn’t here, I have no clue.
I do believe psp emulator has been implemented ASAP, and therefor might not be as sweet as one should expect from a multinational company.
I do think it is possible that they don’t really know what to do or they are doing anymore. To me it is like everything else. If you spend most of your time experimenting with something (sports, devices, cars etc) one day you become really good at it. All your experience is yours to keep and nobody will take that from you. Now, engineers and developers (in this case Sony) are subject to changes that sometimes make them “forget” stuff about what they are doing. Let alone the risk of getting fired then hiring a new person with no experience or some experience on the works.
I could relate this to the newer Android releases. Motorola has struggled to keep its promises up for the public releasing Jelly Bean for many of their products, yet many developers and tinkerers already managed to get roms or leaks (sometimes not fully functional) which allow them to taste what isn’t even official yet.
Maybe I am not making much sense but sometimes developers outside a big corporation do better than the actual people in charge of the project.
i believe they are letting you guys win the battle to avoid losing the PSV ISO/CSO war
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