I love this. I like how Sony are insisting on destroying their image by going further with this lawsuit…
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lol
Awesome!!
Saw it in exophase today morning though!
lolZ,i luv it -> so awesome 😀
LOL !!!!! 😀 😀
How awesome. He’s the man, lol.
I cant wait till his CD drops so I can pirate it. lol
Nah, I love GeoHot he does grate work iPhone, Ps3, etc.
love ya GeoHot!
this is totally FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don’t get it. Who found the keys, Geohot or fail0verflow?
fail0verflow found them
GeoHot used them
I somehow do not get it, if Geohot only used them, then why is he the one being sued?
Fail0verfl0w is a team, which Geohot is part of.
Wrong.
Actually, he’s pretty good! O.o
O Yeah!
Yah great but what about the issue with LG sueing sony and LG making ps3s taken off the shelves in the USA …this could mmean new ps3 games are going to be *** like the psp and maybe psn will die 🙁 ..we will just have to wait and see this… 🙁 screw you LG we dont care if LG gets shut but alot of us want our ps3 stuff….
It can only be for the best that Sony stops making more PlayStations. Their consoles have been lagging behind their competitors in terms of power since PS1 days, yet they’ve always managed to beat the rest of the pack till the DS pwned the PSP. They thought they could sell that crappy PS3 for any foolish price and still get their fanboys out to pay for them. Thankfully, Microsoft and Nintendo are showing them that is not the case. Sony can’t compete in the game market any more, and they should just bow out peacefully and stop this silly lawsuit. I hope LG wins their suit, and please, if you own one, sell your PS3 now before it becomes more useless than it already is. It only does everything, true, but Sony won’t let it do everything.
Just LOL
Please go tell that to Sony. Please.
LOL.
Sony should get Marcus to rap battle him. XD
But, Sony will still epicly fail the battle…
Well, he is talented in hacking stuff. But I think he is acting sometimes like an ***. The same way some people defending him is acting too.
I don’t understand why everyone sees him like a victim or like a hero (like almost every well know hacker on internet think of themselves) with this Sony matter. Now everyone are saying everything is Sony’s fault and making them look like a dark crushing villain company or something like that.
If you manage a company that big you will be doing the same to maintain it, if you do something you want to protect because it gives you money those will be your actions. Now, don’t think I’m in Sony’s side, I’m one of thousands taking advantage of those keys.
I’m just saying this from my point of view, because I don’t like how some hackers when make something big does not take it with humlity and discretion and act like rebel rockstars talking on tv shows and youtube videos.
PS: If someone does not like my opinion say it in a proper way and don’t make comments about how bad I am at writing in English (happens a lot when people does not have a good come back to my comments).
the problem isn’t that Sony wants to protect the PS3, ofcourse that they would do that should be obvious
it’s that GeoHot did nothing wrong/illigal but they still wast money sueing him while his Chance of winning isn’t that bad
it makes Sony look a littel stupid since they fight the war at the wrong end
i’m more thankful to total noob than geohot to be precise
the problem is that sony used to be kind of good for everyone who wanted to make homebrews (remember the net yaroze competition?).
but then they started to give a lot of limitations to the homebrew community (remember the yabasic system? you couldn’t even make sprites with it to make a decent 2d game). and on ps3/psp generation?
NOTHING
many people hate sony for that and many are thankful to hackers for allowing us to use homebrews on psp/ps3.
and then what happens? sony sues one of the heroes of this community.
that is what makes most of us (me too) angry at sony.
now let’s talk about my reason to look down on sony.
what i find despicable about sony is theyr “psp has playstation 1 emulation” when i bought it thinking “wohoo, i’ll transfer all my games into it” i did not know how wrong i was…
they wanted me to buy the ps1 games (those i already had!) online from a little list which did not have all the games i wanted!
what’s the big deal uh?
and that is where the TN_HEN-D with pops comes out. i hope it won’t last long
you may not like it but ultmately sony is a business. just like microsoft, nintendo, apple, etc their livelyhood depends on them making a profit. and yeah i would to be able to transfer all my ps1 games to my psp. from business standpoint it wouldn’t make them any money. and would actually undercut ps1 classics therefore losing money instead of making it. i really think sony needs to have some sort of app store so that independent developers like wololo could get their homebrew on to their consoles through official way rather than shady ways like modifying sony’s os. we as consumers need to find a balance that helps us as customers without hurting the people who we depend to make games for the system. remember everyone who makes games for the system is not a giant corporation like sony. usually when people pirate games we only think we are hurting sony we in actuality we hurt independent companies too. there’s nothing wrong with homebrew but that’s no reason too hate a company because they want to make a profit.
What a total TOOL you are!
Dance puppet… dance!
+1
I think that could be a great idea to stop this useless fight.
Sorry, he’s Geohot. The guy has been over-achieving all his life. It’s very difficult to be humble in such a situation, and I don’t blame him for his lack of humility. And what use is “protecting” your console if you only end up taking away important features and sc*** your customers?
Well, as I say he can be talented and all, but I still think he’s acting like an ***. And you are calling him a hero. I think a hero would be the one making the cure cancer or wathever big, but that…
Now, “important features”? Is really that awesome be able to run another OS in a PS3 or other consoles that are not made for that? I just don’t get it.
I understand the point of wololo who does not like how Sony sells hardware to distribute their own formats. But that’s just bussines. Those “important features” you say are really that great to go against Sony who’s making a ps3 so people can play games?
That just make things looking in both sides like it’s a fight against just the idea of piracy. No matter how everyone tries so hard to keep the theme of piracy out that’s like the 80+% of this whole deal. Have you ever heard people here sayng “I want to run other OS on my game system” or “I want my important features back” no, they come here saying “can I run isos on that?”.
But well, no matter what I think about this, I just hope this legal fight ends in a good way for everyone, sony, geohot or wathever wants to make something great for the entertainment world.
Oh sorry, the one calling him a hero is shien not you. Sorry about that.
XD this was funny
Sony can’t rap. nough said.
He should hack the NGP 😛
that’s funny…im sure that sony will mention it at the court hahaha just as another useless evidence
He is like a monkey taht wants a banana XD
this is all kind of geohots fault too. if he had just released it anonymously sony would have no one to sue. that’s why sony cant sue failoverfail because they dont actually know who they are.
no, first of all, he did nothig wrong so he’s not at fault
and it’s not like he wanted to hide the fact that he did it
“Piracy is a necessary evil. If your console is good, then it will survive in spite of piracy ie Wii, Xbox 360, DS. If it sucks, lacks new features, has features taken from it, is not worth its obscenely high price etc, then the need for homebrew arises, and with homebrew inevitably comes piracy. In time, piracy will become the main reason why people buy your console. Instead of being a fringe element, it will become the sustaining factor of the console. 3rd party developers will then lose interest, and the console crashes and burns ie PSP and soon (hopefully) PS3. It’s like natural selection applied to gaming. By all means, steps must be taken to combat piracy. But don’t let the fight against illegal ownership be the main focus of a console producer”
Charles Darwin Clone,
“On the Origin and Survival of Video Game Entities.”
you do realize that having less competition is bad for consumers right. If we had it your way we would not have the psp or ps3 which means we would be stuck with a system that has last gen graphics, or a system with with a 54% failure rate. Also how can people be excited to play mgs3 on the 3ds but at the same time be against being able to play mgs4 on the ngp because they don’t want console like experience on a handheld.
I’m not saying there should be less competition. In fact, I’m saying there should be more of it .I’m just saying that the system naturally culls weak systems out. Anyone who wishes to compete has to bring their A-game, not sit back and rely on gullible fan boys to buy their system at absurd prices like So Knee does.
o_O
geohot must have hired a pretty sucky lawyer. if it had been my old law school teacher sony would be paying geohot 1 million a year for failing to acknowledge and respect the ruling in the iphone jailbreak case and for what he would have called “legal bullying.”
well he seems like a pretty cocky and smart guy, i wouldn’t be that surprised if he was representing himself :p
If the court system really was all about getting to the truth instead of being the rediculous and pathetic circus it is today then one might be able to successfully represent theirself.
…. but as it stands now, an old saying springs to mind “He who chooses to represent himself in court has a fool for a client”
The battle lines have been drawn and this is only the start, anyone who thinks this is about “piracy” hasn’t been paying any attention whatsoever.
This is about giant corporations having far too much control over all of our lives.
Geohot may be far too eager to take credit for work that isn’t entirely his, but i don’t see anyone else stepping forward and saying “hey I helped too”, probably because they don’t wanna be sued by sony…. anyway it’s this cockiness and eagerness to fight that might end up winning the battle, He’s not gonna let them bully him around and that’s good!
I completely agree with this statement.
I’ve seen hackers involved deeply or remotely in the PS3 hack saying GeoHot was “stealing credit”, but none of them have the *** to stand up and say “I was with him, sue me too”. So, you know, it’s one or the other.
Now, as you said, this is NOT about piracy. This is about hardware companies believing they can own the full distribution chain. Sony owns music and video creation and distribution companies, makes hardware, firmware, and games. They are trying to lock people in a full system where you have to accept their conditions.
Sony, as a cartel, should be dismantled into different companies, separating hardware, software, and especially content distribution. Content should not be locked to a specific platform.
People who think this is just about piracy are not understanding how complex and important this issue is.
No matter how you put it, all this problem has a lot of piracy issues involved.
I’m not saying is all about it but at least 80% or more. No matter what was the intention (other OS or “distribution chain”) inevitably it comes with that.
This is true, but I strongly think the debate should shift to GeoHot’s (and other hackers) initial goal.
Hackers are trying to make a point about intellectual property VS hardware ownership, while Sony are concerned with piracy.
My point is that companies like Sony are using piracy as an excuse to add more restrictions on their platforms.
DRMs are here to prevent piracy, but this doesn’t work, the only thing it does is preventing honest customers to read their movies/music/books/games on other platforms, so that these companies can make more money on gullible people who think it’s normal to buy the same movie 3 times if you want to watch it on 3 different devices.
The WHOLE point is that Sony and many “news” websites are making this about piracy (to make people like GeoHot look bad), when it is exactly NOT about piracy, but about our rights as customers.
Edit: to clarify: there are many ways to fight against piracy. DRMs is not one of them, they have proven to not work. So why did Sony go with DRMs? If this whole lawsuit could prove that DRMs are unsuccessful at what they claim to do (recognize if you are allowed to play a game or not), but successful at forcing people into buying more hardware and more content than what they need, this would make my day. Having Sony admit that they could have used a better security scheme, not involving painful procedures for users, and that DRMs are not really here to prevent piracy…
Well, I understand that point. And as you say if this fight makes customers able to use their honest purchased software to work in different hardware, that maybe could bring world peace.
But that idea it’s just too fantastic. Is really Sony making you buy a lot of things? I just have a psp and some umds, Am I needing something else? not that i know. I think people is exaggerating thinking Sony can take over the world with limitations in their hardware. But maybe it’s just me, I’m not that big of a customer.
If Sony really was so concerned about piracy then why arent they sueing the rom and iso sites who actually ARE breaking the law?
Because it’s not at all about piracy, it’s about control thats why, and i personally will never buy another sony product again after this
Ps3 isos were useless until the key was found and revealed. About Psp isos or DS roms I think they just don’t care, half of the Psps were able to run them, but now all of them can. So that’s why.
I think your decision of not buying from them is good.
Lorz, again I agree with you!
Hackers opened the door, but the ones breaking the law are the sites and people distributing warez. That’s what should be prevented.
If windows added some security to their OS that prevents non-microsoft software to run on your PC, anybody would sue their ***. How comes it’s the other way around when it’s Sony? Calling it a console doesn’t make it less of a computer.
“This is about giant corporations having far too much control over all of our lives.”
What?
It’s just a frigging PS3, if you don’t like Sony, or Apple or wathever just don’t buy their wares. What’s the big deal? It’s not like you are giving up your soul or your liberty. I think everyone is exaggerating.
You really don’t know anything about this case do you?
Sony is a corporation, since when are corporations allowed to dictate the law? Geohot has been ordered to turn over his hard drive…. NOT to the courts… but to SONY!!!!!! Do you not understand the implications of this?
SONY IS NOT THE LAW, what right have they got?!?! o.O
If the hard drive of Geohot was taken by Sony it was via a legal procedure approved by the courts, amirite?
No Sony assasins are taking hackers hard drives. If you think they are, post it in a cospiracy forum and seek the truth with evidence.
Again, if you don’t like Sony, Apple, etc. Just don’t buy (OR HACK) their warez.
and again you understand nothing, but it doesnt really matter, remain as ignorant as you see fit. The blind can not be made to see.
I will say this though, if sony believes this is helping them they are so extremely wrong, i doubt they will be able to GIVE away an NGP after this, and they kinda make a person want to pirate thier stuff instead of buying it…. after all who wants to give money to a company that considers thier customers “the enemy”?
The only people blind here is the delusional people who thinks companys or corporations are the enemies of mankind ala terminator.
Read:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=geohot+hard+drive&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=62facbe1bfa93917
Plenty of sources to enlight blind people.
@dopio….. you sure chose your nick name correctly…..
yes genius don’t you have to ask yourself why SONY the PLAINTIFF is being allowed to inspect the DEFENDANTS hard drive? Of course they’re going to FIND something…. it’s in thier best INTEREST to FIND something.
the court is putting the power of LAW into the hands of a greedy self serving corporation incase you’re so dim to have missed the point…… and THAT is a dangerous thing!
It’s not only about the users, it’s about developers too. Right now if you’re a dev for mobile platforms, and your game is not available on the PSP, you’re missing a huge part of the market.
If you want your game to be open source, etc… you can’t. It also requires insane funding, which most indie developers don’t have.
Sony is trying to fix this with minis (which is a great initiative, don’t get me wrong), but you still need to go through their process to have your own game run on their platforms.
If the PSP or the PS3 were minor chunks of the market, this wouldn’t be a problem, but they represent a huge share of their respective market. Having developers go through the Sony way of distributing software if you want to run on one of the major hardwares is a big problem IMO. This is why I’m talking about decoupling the hardware and the software as part of anti-trust laws that exist in most countries.
Again, if Windows prevented developers from running their own software on the PC they bought, Microsoft would be sued. I’m surprised that what makes sense for computers becomes the exact opposite in the case of gaming devices (which are nothing else than computers).
Because the PS3 has such a major share on the gaming market, I think the argument saying “don’t buy their stuff” is not very valid, from both a developer (you miss more than 30% of the market) and a user (you *have* to buy a ps3 for some of the exclusive games) points of view. Again, that’s the issue with tightly linked hardware and software. This is a way for Sony to have people buy their hardware even if they don’t like the policy that ships with the software. It puts customers and devs in a very difficult position (if you’re a hardcore fan of Final Fantasy, how long will you stick to your principles and refuse to upgrade your firmware?).
The same is more obvious with apple and iOS. Even if you don’t like Apple’s policy, most of the mobile market is owned by them, so if you refuse their terms of use, as a dev, you miss more than 50% of the market…
The fact that Sony has a bit less shares than Apple in their respective market doesn’t make it more acceptable.
buddy, if u only knew… its more going on behind the scences than u can fathom. guys like wololo know and they think outside the box. u should too. just a ps3 huh. lol. yea. rite.
His ps3 box in the corner of the screen, word.
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I agree that Sony is further hurting it’s image
With this suit. Geo simply has more ‘fans’.
Particularly, when you count the IPod community.
U go Geo!
^ Fail
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But Wololo
remember the lawsuit against The Pirate Bay?
it was unsucessful.
Sony knows going after sites will make them (the sites) more popular.
It like if u hand a revover with only one bullet and two targets.
First target: An elephant (websites)
Second target: One human being
Which would u choose…?
Of course u can always do the worst and point the gun at your head, but it seems Sony decided to go with choice number 2….
when they should of picked the gun to the head….
very true 🙁
Pirate bay took extreme measures to hide thier servers and relocate to countries where piracy is not specifically illegal, granting them atleast some immunity from US law….. at one point they were even seriously considering buying an island whos soverignity was in dispute, and declaring it thier own soverign nation.
Most iso sites do not take such extreme measures to protect themselves, most are easy targets.
And as to your analogy….. I would not shoot either unless i had a very good reason for doing so
Dopio, how do you know 80% of homebrew is for piracy? Do you have the exact stats for people who own consoles, people who use homebrew, people how genuinely use back-up managers for creating back-ups of their games and those who just use them for piracy? I don’t think so. Assumptions like yours are the only thing supporting this TRO by Sony, and I’m shocked that courts in the US are allowing this nonsense to stand.
Playback!!
That was something cool sony will be *** :)) but this suit is like beating a nail in their own coffin 😐 😐
Nice spittin ;D
He’s just awesome xD
when all is said and done
Sony says the Ps3 does everything…they lied…
devs like geohot and wololo, TN, liquid the highly missed dark alex
they did what sony failed to do.
they kept sonys word for them and now both the ps3 and the psp do just about Everything..
what’s really sad is devs have done sony a big favor cause with the correct software implemented, it saves them from something that hasn’t seemed to be brought up yet…false advertising
my ps3 didn’t do everything…infact it did less than anything in my house..
100% agreed…… when i first got my psp, after about the first day of playing with it i was pretty disappointed and already bored with it….. not only did it not do everything…. it barely did anything……
then i find out about and read up on homebrew and cfw and i’m thinking WOW this is exactly what i want, only to be disappointed again because my firmware was already too high to run any of it….. so my psp basically sat idle collecting dust for nearly a year.
Then I find out about Half byte Loader and that they finally managed to crack(somewhat atleast) the “unhackable” firmwares, dowloaded, installed it, very simple setup, was amazed by how stable it was after reading so many horror stories about chickhen, was grinning ear to ear as i ran my first homebrew… PSP Doom, impressed by how exact it was to the old PC version and after learning you could even use WAD files from the pc version…… grabbed my old ultimate doom cd popped it into my laptop and installed the wads from my cd onto my psp.
My psp has had a new lease on life ever since and no longer sits around collecting dust…… no thanks to sony.
computer geeks rule right on good thing Im CpE yeah baby lets rock and ride
Come on, we all know that sony is the master of false promises. Thats why i never bought an original game.
someone should really sue sony for false advertising. i think they would stand a pretty good chance considering all the things sony took away from us on the ps3. but only a true gamer would know what im talking about. and then they did it rite under our noses! thats not rite. in a sense, its stealing. LAWSUIT!!!
Considering that there’s no money involved in this lawsuit, there’s not much point to the TRO. Sony only has two things in mind with this entire lawsuit:
a) send a warning to any would-be hacker that they’ll come after you if you try to hack their system,
More importantly:
b) they’re trying to save face with the game developer companies whose games can now be ripped. Without game content, they’re just another platform. If game companies can’t trust Sony to protect their sales, they won’t develop for that platform anymore.