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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby aurix » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:53 pm

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The main problem with running more recent/powerful consoles is VHBL only lives in the PSP emulator of the vita. To get access to all of the vita's hardware the vita itself needs to be hacked. There hasn't been much, if any, public progress in hacking it though. I imagine it will be hacked, like everything else sony has released, but not any time in the near future.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby ipadboy00 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:13 pm

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aurix wrote:The main problem with running more recent/powerful consoles is VHBL only lives in the PSP emulator of the vita. To get access to all of the vita's hardware the vita itself needs to be hacked. There hasn't been much, if any, public progress in hacking it though. I imagine it will be hacked, like everything else sony has released, but not any time in the near future.


We know that already.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby jrbo » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:38 pm

It's funny how fate thinks he knows what he's talking about when he just repeats what the devs say
Can't stand him :/
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby jvhellraiser » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:33 pm

Ok So lets not talk about the psp side of the vita
and lets say we get something for the Vita and
everything the vita has.

we can make a better Snes Emaulator,Better genesis Emulator/Sega Cd
we may have a Dreamcast Emulator,A Full Mame Emulator,Cps1/Cps2/Cps3
NullDc Emulator,N64 Emulator (3DS Emulator <- i dont like the idea just saying,
we made have many other emulators (but not to strong Emulators)

Why make a New Emultors?
Why? The answer is why not,the emulators
for the psp are good but not strong so emulators
using the vita spec would be fantastic.

But for Now are reality is another one and we'll have
To use the psp emulators that have and Vhbl from Wololo.
But when that day comes i hope so, i would like to see many
Emulators/homebrews.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby ipadboy00 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:39 pm

Cant run 3ds because 3ds hasnt been hacked yet and an emulator hasnt been released yet. Im more interested in N64/Gamecube/ Dreamcast since we basically already have emulators for older that ran fine on the PSP, except for a few technical difficulties. If we can get PS2 to at least run even if not a decent speed Sony may use it and perfect it and support in future updates, just like they did with many features in the psp that hackers made first (For example, pspstate is the Pause feature which only the PSP system has out of all consoles)
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby Xian Nox » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:51 pm

ipadboy00 wrote:If we can get PS2 to at least run even if not a decent speed Sony may use it and perfect it and support in future updates, just like they did with many features in the psp that hackers made first (For example, pspstate is the Pause feature which only the PSP system has out of all consoles)
Please read the threads about PS2 emulation on the Vita, then go hide yourself. It's not about things that I came up with just cause I want to, it's tons of people including some devs, saying that it is not possible.
And so that you don't accuse me:
m0skit0 wrote:I highly doubt Vita will be able to emulate PS2. The situation is not comparable with PSOne on PSP, because PSP has a very similar hardware to PSOne (namely same CPU type), hence the easiness of emulating PSOne, since a lot of stuff can be done by hardware because of the similar architecture. PSVita will be way different from PS2, specially it will have no Emotion Engine. Emulating EE by software would be very very slow, and most likely not useful. Same happens with PS3 btw, and I don't think PSVita will be as powerful as PS3.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby ipadboy00 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:12 pm

Xian Nox wrote:
ipadboy00 wrote:If we can get PS2 to at least run even if not a decent speed Sony may use it and perfect it and support in future updates, just like they did with many features in the psp that hackers made first (For example, pspstate is the Pause feature which only the PSP system has out of all consoles)
Please read the threads about PS2 emulation on the Vita, then go hide yourself. It's not about things that I came up with just cause I want to, it's tons of people including some devs, saying that it is not possible.
And so that you don't accuse me:
m0skit0 wrote:I highly doubt Vita will be able to emulate PS2. The situation is not comparable with PSOne on PSP, because PSP has a very similar hardware to PSOne (namely same CPU type), hence the easiness of emulating PSOne, since a lot of stuff can be done by hardware because of the similar architecture. PSVita will be way different from PS2, specially it will have no Emotion Engine. Emulating EE by software would be very very slow, and most likely not useful. Same happens with PS3 btw, and I don't think PSVita will be as powerful as PS3.
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I know that Sony said they dont have plans to add ps2 games to the vita, but they also said its powerful enough to run PS2 on vita, but that doesnt mean it would run at a decent speeds or even playable. Playstation 3 couldn't run PS2 games in the beginning, which is why Sony added many upgrades in their updates and sooner they began to run. Sony knows that all they have to do is have the developers of the games disable a few features to make a game run, which is also why there are PS2 classics on the PSN store. I don't disagree with the developers you speak of, but they develop hacks and mods, not actual games.

BTW, this thread titles is discussing possibilities not reality or impossibilities.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby Xian Nox » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:25 pm

ipadboy00 wrote:Playstation 3 couldn't run PS2 games in the beginning, which is why Sony added many upgrades in their updates and sooner they began to run.
Please get your facts right. It is exactly the first models that have the EE; it is removed from later models.
ipadboy00 wrote:I know that Sony said they dont have plans to add ps2 games to the vita, but they also said its powerful enough to run PS2 on vita, but that doesnt mean it would run at a decent speeds or even playable.
They also said they can add a 3GHz CPU to it, but the battery would last 5 minutes in such a case. Also, Sony does not offer you PS2 games, but ported PS2 games. There is a difference. Example: Persona 3 is a PS2 game, and it was ported to the PSP. Does this make the PSP powerful enough to run PS2 games? Hardly.
ipadboy00 wrote:Sony knows that all they have to do is have the developers of the games disable a few features to make a game run, which is also why there are PS2 classics on the PSN store.
You are talking about Sony asking game developers to release a port of the game compatible with the system. This had nothing to do with running the actual PS2 game, aka emulating it.
ipadboy00 wrote:I don't disagree with the developers you speak of, but they develop hacks and mods, not actual games.
Which means they know more about the capabilities of the console than game developers themselves?
ipadboy00 wrote:BTW, this thread titles is discussing possibilities not reality or impossibilities.
Says the one pointing out impossible things? I can't get your point here.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby ipadboy00 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:36 pm

Anyways, my point is its not impossible to run PS2 games on a vita. If you port a ps2 emulator to something and you get a game to run, you have a ps2 emulator. Does it have to run fast? No. Playable? No. But its still a ps2 emulator on a vita or whatever console you want no matter what you think of it. Case closed, new topic.
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Re: Homebrew and Emulation; let's talk possibilities.

Postby kitzuki » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:30 pm

ipadboy00 wrote:Anyways, my point is its not impossible to run PS2 games on a vita. If you port a ps2 emulator to something and you get a game to run, you have a ps2 emulator. Does it have to run fast? No. Playable? No. But its still a ps2 emulator on a vita or whatever console you want no matter what you think of it. Case closed, new topic.


I don't get the point on wasting time on a non playable PS2 emulator for the vita. kind of counter intuitive.

On the topic Im really a old school guy some snes genesis and nintendo emulators im fine with. Along with some gba and a full fledged ps1 emulator would would be amazing for me i would be a completly happy vita owner as long as devs are making more games for the vita itself
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