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Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by leconnaisseur » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:44 pm

The 2DS is not meant for youngins, it's meant for POOR people cause nintendo is giving up on the western world and wants to flood china with entry level hardware.

they cannot say: we target the poor in China/SE Asia.

Also, at this point, anybody from mainland CHina coming up with a clone is cause he wont be able to go lower then that.

It's not a competition to Vita because it targets a demo that is lost to vita anyway. It's good for the number wars, but consumer playing the 2DS shouldn't be considered on the same foot as a game dev POV because those buying the 2ds will be young or dirt.

good move by nintendo.

also, 3D is a failed technology and works like ****. I'm **** tired to not be able to move an inch when I play or else it gets blurred. **** gimmick.
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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by silkyskeeter » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:44 pm

Well, seems that others did my job for me in correcting the people that replied to my other comment. Just because you dont like the thing doesnt mean its going to fail. Especially since it is just an extension of a platform that is already dominating the handheld space. But, anyway, in the end it doesnt matter because age plays very little difference in gaming hardware sales. It's contextual and that context is usually reserved for software creation. Bring it up as legitimate debating point on comparison of one hardware to another piece of hardware is just stupid. I don't see any way this can fail. The reasons why I say that is because it is everything that people seemed to have wanted the 3DS to be. Atleast it shows that Nintendo listened to thier fans/customers. Unlike Sony, where it has taken them 2 years to give us a little of what we asked for of the PsVita.

People complained about the hinges becoming loose or breaking, now there is no hinge. People complained that the 3D effect hurt their eyes, now there is no 3D and is even cheaper because of that exclusion. People were complaining that it was too small for their hands but didnt want to pay extra to get the 3DS XL, this is another option for those people. And even without the 3D this is still everything that the 3DS is and can still play DS/DSi/3DS games making its library of games that much larger. That would sound very promising to a person that, because of the hard economical times, wants to get a cheaper alternate or is just getting into gaming. heck, my gf seen me looking are videos for it and now wants one and she isnt even a gamer.
Acid_Snake wrote: where exactly did you get that number? please do proper research before you make a fool of yourself.
Unless unemployed and living with government money, 34 year-olds have jobs, families, and many time consuming things to do, so at the end of the game, if they do game, it's casual, indie games on their smartphones so they don't get bored on their way yo work. Gaming is generally geared towards little kids, teens and young adults, in other words: people who have TIME and ENERGY.
What planet do you live on? Im not 34, but I am not far from it (31). And I know the age of gamers because I was made to when I was in Intro To SGD class, last year. (aka Intro to software and game design). The Professors of the gaming courses are in the know and have contacts in gaming studios and hardware developers (for interning opportunities for their students and to make sure that they are keeping up with the advancements of the field), similar to gaming journalists but not really since most gaming journalists know only the cosmetic portion of making software or hardware.

You must be young if you really believe what you just typed. So anyone above the age of young adult cant or doesnt play games, according to you? LOL, you need to do YOUR research then or just leave your house and see the real world and not the world inside of your head or the world you see on TV/internet. There are countless Men and Woman above your age threshold that are regularly seen outside/commuting or just lounging playing a DS/DSi/3DS. On top of that there are countless numbers of Men and Women, that are above your age threshold, that regularly play current gen consoles. And, since games only take 4-7 hours to beat anyway (most of the time), they play them in the time when they arent at work. Not everyone above a certain age has kids, a wife/husband or a job that demands all their time. And what about the game designers, 3d modelers, software engineers, QA testers....aka anyone that works in the gaming field where its THEIR JOB to play games?

Working only takes 8-10 of any day with usually 2 days off, unless you have a crappy work and have to work 2 crappy jobs to make ends meet or just a work-a-holic. There are 24 hours in a day and the average human is up for 16-18 hours of that 24 hours. There is more than enough time to play a game and still work (even if you have kids to take care of). Since when does it take energy to PLAY VIDEO GAMES? LOL, that makes NO sense at all. And you are also excluding the people that have "old money", work their own business, or do freelance work. Or any other profession that doesn't demand much work or time. heck, one of my friends is a freelance artist that barely works all month but makes more than enough to play all his bills. You have tunnel vision so bad, it is funny.
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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by Acid_Snake » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:29 pm

silkyskeeter wrote:
Useless block of text
What planet do you live on? Im not 34, but I am not far from it (31). And I know the age of gamers because I was made to when I was in Intro To SGD class, last year. (aka Intro to software and game design). The Professors of the gaming courses are in the know and have contacts in gaming studios and hardware developers (for interning opportunities for their students and to make sure that they are keeping up with the advancements of the field), similar to gaming journalists but not really since most gaming journalists know only the cosmetic portion of making software or hardware.

You must be young if you really believe what you just typed. So anyone above the age of young adult cant or doesnt play games, according to you? LOL, you need to do YOUR research then or just leave your house and see the real world and not the world inside of your head or the world you see on TV/internet. There are countless Men and Woman above your age threshold that are regularly seen outside/commuting or just lounging playing a DS/DSi/3DS. On top of that there are countless numbers of Men and Women, that are above your age threshold, that regularly play current gen consoles. And, since games only take 4-7 hours to beat anyway (most of the time), they play them in the time when they arent at work. Not everyone above a certain age has kids, a wife/husband or a job that demands all their time. And what about the game designers, 3d modelers, software engineers, QA testers....aka anyone that works in the gaming field where its THEIR JOB to play games?

Working only takes 8-10 of any day with usually 2 days off, unless you have a crappy work and have to work 2 crappy jobs to make ends meet or just a work-a-holic. There are 24 hours in a day and the average human is up for 16-18 hours of that 24 hours. There is more than enough time to play a game and still work (even if you have kids to take care of). Since when does it take energy to PLAY VIDEO GAMES? LOL, that makes NO sense at all. And you are also excluding the people that have "old money", work their own business, or do freelance work. Or any other profession that doesn't demand much work or time. heck, one of my friends is a freelance artist that barely works all month but makes more than enough to play all his bills. You have tunnel vision so bad, it is funny.
just because you are a gamer in your 30's doesn't mean EVERY OTHER gamer is also in his 30's and it doesn't mean that's the dominating age for gaming. Your entire block of text is an example of failed statistics, all you try to do is apply YOUR living condition to pretty much every other person out there, and at the same time use assumptions based on what YOU believe is the truth.

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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by silkyskeeter » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:44 pm

Acid_Snake wrote:
silkyskeeter wrote:
Useless block of text
What planet do you live on? Im not 34, but I am not far from it (31). And I know the age of gamers because I was made to when I was in Intro To SGD class, last year. (aka Intro to software and game design). The Professors of the gaming courses are in the know and have contacts in gaming studios and hardware developers (for interning opportunities for their students and to make sure that they are keeping up with the advancements of the field), similar to gaming journalists but not really since most gaming journalists know only the cosmetic portion of making software or hardware.

You must be young if you really believe what you just typed. So anyone above the age of young adult cant or doesnt play games, according to you? LOL, you need to do YOUR research then or just leave your house and see the real world and not the world inside of your head or the world you see on TV/internet. There are countless Men and Woman above your age threshold that are regularly seen outside/commuting or just lounging playing a DS/DSi/3DS. On top of that there are countless numbers of Men and Women, that are above your age threshold, that regularly play current gen consoles. And, since games only take 4-7 hours to beat anyway (most of the time), they play them in the time when they arent at work. Not everyone above a certain age has kids, a wife/husband or a job that demands all their time. And what about the game designers, 3d modelers, software engineers, QA testers....aka anyone that works in the gaming field where its THEIR JOB to play games?

Working only takes 8-10 of any day with usually 2 days off, unless you have a crappy work and have to work 2 crappy jobs to make ends meet or just a work-a-holic. There are 24 hours in a day and the average human is up for 16-18 hours of that 24 hours. There is more than enough time to play a game and still work (even if you have kids to take care of). Since when does it take energy to PLAY VIDEO GAMES? LOL, that makes NO sense at all. And you are also excluding the people that have "old money", work their own business, or do freelance work. Or any other profession that doesn't demand much work or time. heck, one of my friends is a freelance artist that barely works all month but makes more than enough to play all his bills. You have tunnel vision so bad, it is funny.
just because you are a gamer in your 30's doesn't mean EVERY OTHER gamer is also in his 30's and it doesn't mean that's the dominating age for gaming. Your entire block of text is an example of failed statistics, all you try to do is apply YOUR living condition to pretty much every other person out there, and at the same time use assumptions based on what YOU believe is the truth.
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Like I said, you need to do ANY kind of research. If what you said was even remotely true there wouldnt be events like DragonCon (which is in my city right now), Comicon, TGC, or any of the MANY other fan conventions. And if you ever attended or seen any footage of those, the common demographic is CLEARLY noticable. Video gaming is now a pop culture. YOURE the one affiliating your own sheltered life as the global norm. FYI, kids are the minority in the overall percentage of gamers, yet they feel they are the majority (as well as many News outlets). Its actually funny and sad. I dare you, just look up the statistics (almost every company posts up there numbers). Dont have to take my word for it, even though I have made my case many times over. And I never said that every other gamer was in their 30s, just because I am. I said it is a documented fact that the largest percentage is in their 30s.

Just for giggles I googled the average age of gamers (since my intel is a year old) and apparently the average age of gamer has changed. So I correct myself. AVERAGE AGE OF GAMER IS 30. My mistake, but its still not kid, teen, or young adult age.

Just a few links since you are too self-centered and ignorant to use google.
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http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/7 ... -says-esa/
http://www.gamespot.com/news/average-ag ... 30-6380546
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ung-adults

But, sure. keep believing in the world inside your head and be oblivious to the real world. It is your life after all. Ppl that think like you are the main reason we cant get any actual mature (not to be confused for the immature, violence filled, and random nudity having games that are rated "Mature") games.
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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by vitalovesnintendo » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:43 pm

I enjoy debating myself but I feel like both of you are close to name calling. Simply because you do not agree with each other, and there is no need for that.
I am not a moderator but one of you is. The point I am trying to make is lets reply to each other in such a way that people won't regret voicing their opinion.
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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by keyz16b » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:20 pm

will be interesting to see what this brings to the market of PSV vs. DS.

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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by silkyskeeter » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:26 am

vitalovesnintendo wrote:I enjoy debating myself but I feel like both of you are close to name calling. Simply because you do not agree with each other, and there is no need for that.
I am not a moderator but one of you is. The point I am trying to make is lets reply to each other in such a way that people won't regret voicing their opinion.
It was all in debating fun, at least on my part (hence the meme). Maybe he was on the verge of calling me something but I was just debating the points he brought to the table. But I respect your concern.
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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by Acid_Snake » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:44 am

I stopped reading your comment the moment you decided to use memes. Anything that could have given your opinion a slight bit of seriousness was basically thrown down the drain. btw, let me show you some laughable content in the first source you posted.
The average U.S. Household owns at least one dedicated game console, PC or smartphone
so smartphones now fall into the category of gaming? pathetic how they had to use smartphones to make their study
The average age of a frequent game buyer is 35
how many of these "game buyers" end up buying games for their kids instead of themselves?
Thirty-three percent of gamers play on their phones
that's not a gamer, that's a guy passing his time on his way to work or back from work
Adult gamers have been playing for an average of 14 years; males average 16 years of game play, females average 12 years
this is probably true, these, now adults, probably started gaming when they were young with the atari and old consoles and keep on gaming today

the other two sources give nothing of interest.

Now tell me, how is it that nintendo markets their console to young kids and microsoft and sony markets their consoles to teens and very young adults? if the average age is 30+, then why keep marketing for 20-? makes no sense at all, so explain that cause I can't do it myself.

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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by Xian Nox » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:19 am

Acid_Snake wrote:Now tell me, how is it that nintendo markets their console to young kids and microsoft and sony markets their consoles to teens and very young adults? if the average age is 30+, then why keep marketing for 20-? makes no sense at all, so explain that cause I can't do it myself.
Why do game publishers use target groups consisting of teenage boys?
Why do game publishers over-sexualize their products, sometimes to ridiculous extents?
Why do game publishers add zombies to anything they can, and make games that have oversimplified mechanics?
Because they want to "appeal to a broader audience", include as if everyone and their dog in it when all they mean by that is CoD brats.
Because the entire audience they see is that of spoiled brats. They want to sell their games to them as that's the stereotypical gamer. Their CEOs have probably never seen a game from less than 50 meters and cannot care less about reality. They don't care how the ridiculously out of proportion female character models are an insult to anyone else but said teens. They will make everything from the box art to the gameplay appeal to that stereotypical audience and then miserably fail because brat boys already have CoD.

I'm sorry, but your idea that 30 year olds don't play videogames is not correct. Think where 30 year olds now were 15 years ago. Probably playing videogames. The thing is that a lot of the franchises from 15 years ago are now probably dead or being killed off.
Here's some examples: nobody made space sims for the last couple of years pretty much. The guy that made Freelancer/other similar games came out and said he's making a new one, right now he's sitting on the money people are throwing at him for it. Guess what his audience is: mostly the people who played Wing Commander/Freelancer/so on in the 90s. Right, they're also around 30 now as well.
Mechwarrior franchise has been dead basically for the last ~10 years. PGI/IGP announce a new title, the guys and gals that played the original Mechwarrior/Battletech games funded it. We're not talking about brat boys here at all, the moment PGi/IGP started "appealing to a wider audience" aka those guys, the original backers started asking for refunds.
Torment: Tides of Numenera, a successor to Planescape: Torment received 4 million USD on kickstarter. Its backers were not CoD brats, they were the people who played the original and are now 30+ years old.
There is a ton of games funded on Kickstarter, and a lot of them are marketed towards 30-year-old gamers as this is not a demographic that is very well catered for. Sure a lot of those games aren't going to be on console, but that's mostly because independent development on consoles is a pain in the rear with its imaginary hoops.

Heck, even 30-year-olds play CoD. Because let's be honest, even without smartphones, having a job and family does not necessarily mean you have work 24/7. And in the end let's be honest, if you're not spending time with your kids (probably playing games), you're doing it wrong.

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Re: Vita has a new competitor?.. the 2DS

Post by Faltimar » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:52 pm

Man, Ive got an entire lifetime to be with my children. I dont think takin' a few hours over the weekend or week nights to play some games is going to ruin them.
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