OrbisOS: PS4 OS is a FreeBSD

[fate6]

I hope it means that I can just buy a retail PS4 and it will let me say for example use Unity to make a game ^__^
(then publish it to PSN all from the console)

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[JeoWay]

I hope it means that I can just buy a retail PS4 and it will let me say for example use Unity to make a game ^__^
(then publish it to PSN all from the console)

That would be amazing. I mean, the PS4 is a PC. Why not develop the games directly from the console itself?

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[m0skit0]

why they used GRUB2 in the devkits at all

GRUB is probably best boot loader as for now.

'they just did because that's the first thing that came to the dev's mind'

Right!

And speaking of the FSF, in what cases can they take action?

Any case that involves a GPL violation by a medium-big company.

Both boot0 and LILO

LILO (LInux LOader) is deprecated since long ago.

I think that is a reason for the nice PC Architecture (other than the fact of giving developers a easier platform to develop for)

From a programmer point of view, given a POSIX OS and libc, there's no need to even know what architecture the machine is running. So no, choosing a PC architecture was not to make development easier. It was to make multi-platform games easier (since now XBoX PS4 and PC have the same architecture).

they did mention self publishing for indie devs

Sony says a lot of things. I hope you're right, but for me, this is BS talk from Sony as usual.

I wonder if the PS4 can be used to make games and run them due to the pc architecture.

Again, PC architecture has nothing to do with this. PSVita has an indie (basic) SDK while big developers have an advanced SDK. Most likely this is going to be the scheme for PS4.

it will let me say for example use Unity to make a game ^__^

I think you will need Sony software to make games for the PS4.

I mean, the PS4 is a PC

You have a problem with "PC" word, man

[Acid_Snake]

the PS4 is a PC

no, a PC is a PC, the PS4 is a console

choosing a PC architecture was not to make development easier

not true at all, taking full advantage of the PS3 meant using the Cell BE at its fullest, and that was VERY hard and required assembly

Sony says a lot of things. I hope you're right, but for me, this is BS talk from Sony as usual.

my guess is they won't make an otherOS, or free distributable homebrew market like the PSP, they will want to get some money out of it, and they will be paranoid as they always are about piracy, so my guess is that it'll be like PSM: games will run on a very limited environment, only one language will be available, and there will be a yearly fee that will make devs backtrack like on the vita.

[JeoWay]

You have a problem with the word "PC" man

I know

no, a PC is a PC, the PS4 is a console

Everything we use, Computers, Cell phones, Gaming Devices, handhelds.

Think about it, the word "console" doesn't make any sense. Everything we use is a PC in its own form.

Think, these devices have, gaming capabilities, browsers, Processors, Graphics cards, power supplys, screens, an operating system, keyboard/controller, sound, display, etc.

The word "console" just refers to a platform that is meant to play games. heck, put the ps4's processors, gpu, hdd, etc inside your current PC and now I guess your PC is called a console now - But think about it this way, say Sony allowed us to install something like Windows 8 on it, we could hook it up to a monitor or just your regular tv and now it has a operating system that is normally installed on current-gen laptops and towers. I mean, seriously, the fight about what a PC and console is are getting out a hand.

P.S - Not trying to start something, i'm just stating what our devices really are. Not what people what to fight about

[Acid_Snake]

Think about it, the word "console" doesn't make any sense. Everything we use is a PC in its own form.

phones are phones, consoles are consoles, PCs are PCs. They are very different. You are messing up the term PC with computer technology

[JeoWay]

Think about it, the word "console" doesn't make any sense. Everything we use is a PC in its own form.

phones are phones, consoles are consoles, PCs are PCs. They are very different. You are messing up the term PC with computer technology

*facepalm*

[Acid_Snake]

Think about it, the word "console" doesn't make any sense. Everything we use is a PC in its own form.

phones are phones, consoles are consoles, PCs are PCs. They are very different. You are messing up the term PC with computer technology

*facepalm*

I won't facepalm on your lack of knowledge, I will facepalm on your assumption that you know more than a computer engineer student

[JeoWay]

What I'm saying is, its a pc in its own way. They all do something a pc does.

Kind of like how they say a tablet is like a PC. Well, same thing

[Acid_Snake]

What I'm saying is, its a pc in its own way. They all do something a pc does.

Kind of like how they say a tablet is like a PC. Well, same thing

look bro, PC means Personal Computer, and in computing it's defined as a generic, general-purpose device that can be anything the developer and user decides to use it for. A console is NOT a general-purpose device, it's top most priority is playing games, while everything else is secondary and some developers don't add anything to it, or don't allow for other functionality than the one it was built for. Same goes for phones, their main objective is for people to communicate (even if they can do more than that, the rest is just added bonus), and MP3 player's main objective is to play music. Tablets are indeed more like PCs, they have general-purpose and generic functionality in mind. I understand your point, but it's flawed due to your general lack of computer knowledge, computer history, von-newman and other important stuff a person should know before talking about computers at all.