Isint it your job to remove ark and ask them to reupload after removing illigal files. ?Xian wrote: i am sorry that I gm doing my job as a moderator
*facepalm*
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Apology to camxpspx123
Re: .
Read my post for the answer. Admin's discretionvarun wrote:Isint it your job to remove ark and ask them to reupload after removing illigal files. ?Xian wrote: i am sorry that I gm doing my job as a moderator
*facepalm*
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"If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl"
I Ban you coz
If you can allow one illegal thing then how can you block the other?
It is like a teacher doing partiality amongst students and allows a few to use unfair means but kicks off the other for doing the same
it is a slap on face to all those who participate in genesis competition(if any in future)
It is like a teacher doing partiality amongst students and allows a few to use unfair means but kicks off the other for doing the same
it is a slap on face to all those who participate in genesis competition(if any in future)
Re: .
Yes, but in the end, it is the owner's choice.varun wrote:It is a slap on face of devs like total noob, who write huge extra pieces of code to avoid such issues
I don't think you could compare this with a teacher doing partiality because there, equality is necessary, there isn't a rule on the forum that says "Every user shall be treated equally" infact as I said before, it is necessary to have inequalities because of the trust factor
(I hope I am not flaming now 
)
"If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl"
I will miss ya
Just one question, does it mean you can *break* the rules when you are *trusted*
also I am really eager to know why links to 6.20 tn hen-E were removed originally if he is also a trusted dev, or does that show that you dont trust devs like him? *sarcasm*
also I am really eager to know why links to 6.20 tn hen-E were removed originally if he is also a trusted dev, or does that show that you dont trust devs like him? *sarcasm*
Re: I will miss ya
No, it doesn't mean that you can break the rules, but don't friends usually influence your decisions? wololo, team PRO and all other devs are quite good friends (even though they probably haven't met). But another big reason is, they SAY that the FLASH file has some of the original prx's but Sony has no evidence against them, that they HAVE used the modulesvarun wrote:Just one question, does it mean you can *break* the rules when you are *trusted*
also I am really eager to know why links to 6.20 tn hen-E were removed originally if he is also a trusted dev, or does that show that you dont trust devs like him? *sarcasm*
So, they couldn't get into legal trouble so easily
"If the truth is a cruel mistress, then a lie must be a nice girl"
Re: Apology to camxpspx123
I'm going to lock this thread because I think it basically has nothing to do with Lamecraft.
Before I do, I want to clarify some points. Please note that I have not been involved in all discussions or decisions made on this forum. I do take the decision eventually when the mods don't know what to do, but it is possible I'm missing some essential information here. Nevertheless:
it sounds to me like varun's initial complain is about how we are not equally treating people and their code on this forum. We have sometimes removed links for copyright infringement or GPL infringement, while we have sometimes not done it for other pieces of code in the same situation.
This is in general not fair, and I am not claiming it is. I've had my personal preferences to some people/groups of devs in the past and now, and I don't think I've ever hidden it. That being said, I try to keep reasonably fair regarding the following "principles" that I follow:
- I respect the GPL much more than I care about copyright infringement. I will remove copyright infringing files links from this site when the owners of the "stolen" files contacts me, because I legally have to, but in general be aware that I don't like doing so, simply because of personal beliefs that the "copyright" system is completely flawed. I will also remove such links when I think the risk is not worth it. Let me give you an example: ARK is a huge part of the ongoing Vita scene. Not having a way to download ARK from this site is a *BIG* deal. On the other hand, if somebody tells me a guy is uploading movies and linking to them from this site, I will immediately remove these links because that has nothing to do with the scene, and the risk is not worth the benefit, since it's unrelated to our core concept. Again, independently of my personal principles, if the *owners* (or legal representatives) of the infringed code ask me to remove links, they will be removed within 24h.
GPL to me is another situation. I truly believe in the benefit of open source and respecting that license. If somebody infringes on the GPL on this site and I know about it, I'll usually do everything I can to make the dev fix the situation. This includes harrassing the guy, removing their links, and giving them warnings if we need to. This is probably what can explain some differences here and there. (Also as a remdinder, the GPL license can be revoked if ALL the owners of the code agree to do a release which is not GPLed. This is what happened to ARK which was relying on CFW Pro)
Those are my personal principles. That being said, the official guidelines I gave to the mods is that anything that is illegal (that includes copyright infringement and GPL violation) should be acted upon. With so many active posts and members, I of course have to delegate, and it is sometimes up to the mods to take the decision. When they are not sure they usually ask me, and my answer will sometimes depend on my mood or how dangerous VS important I think the infringing content might be (as I described above). So if the mods seem to behave erratically on those, it's often my fault. Again, as hgoel said above me, there's also lots of "gut feeling" and personal preferences that drive my decisions on this forum. Nobody said we were equal, and nobody said I was always fair, even though we try very hard to be.
Additionally, and it's been mentioned before, we won't treat a guy who's proven several times to be an asset for the scene the same way we'll treat people who have proven to be constant trolls and do not bring anything to the community except flame wars and trouble. Again, we are not a democracy and the concept of equality does not apply here. If you can't understand that I am more lenient towards coldbird and the ark team, than I am towards a guy who's never officially released anything more than mods (that's an example), then maybe you don't understand how the scene works.
Also, I'm giving a warning to varun for his signature which is an obvious insult to other members of this forum, including a mod, which he hasn't changed despite mod requests.
I'll use the opportunity to remind everyone that if you have problems with a specific mod, you should feel free to PM me. I do not necessarily reply, but I keep track of these things, and will be in touch with the mod (more or less aggressively) if I see a pattern.
Before I do, I want to clarify some points. Please note that I have not been involved in all discussions or decisions made on this forum. I do take the decision eventually when the mods don't know what to do, but it is possible I'm missing some essential information here. Nevertheless:
it sounds to me like varun's initial complain is about how we are not equally treating people and their code on this forum. We have sometimes removed links for copyright infringement or GPL infringement, while we have sometimes not done it for other pieces of code in the same situation.
This is in general not fair, and I am not claiming it is. I've had my personal preferences to some people/groups of devs in the past and now, and I don't think I've ever hidden it. That being said, I try to keep reasonably fair regarding the following "principles" that I follow:
- I respect the GPL much more than I care about copyright infringement. I will remove copyright infringing files links from this site when the owners of the "stolen" files contacts me, because I legally have to, but in general be aware that I don't like doing so, simply because of personal beliefs that the "copyright" system is completely flawed. I will also remove such links when I think the risk is not worth it. Let me give you an example: ARK is a huge part of the ongoing Vita scene. Not having a way to download ARK from this site is a *BIG* deal. On the other hand, if somebody tells me a guy is uploading movies and linking to them from this site, I will immediately remove these links because that has nothing to do with the scene, and the risk is not worth the benefit, since it's unrelated to our core concept. Again, independently of my personal principles, if the *owners* (or legal representatives) of the infringed code ask me to remove links, they will be removed within 24h.
GPL to me is another situation. I truly believe in the benefit of open source and respecting that license. If somebody infringes on the GPL on this site and I know about it, I'll usually do everything I can to make the dev fix the situation. This includes harrassing the guy, removing their links, and giving them warnings if we need to. This is probably what can explain some differences here and there. (Also as a remdinder, the GPL license can be revoked if ALL the owners of the code agree to do a release which is not GPLed. This is what happened to ARK which was relying on CFW Pro)
Those are my personal principles. That being said, the official guidelines I gave to the mods is that anything that is illegal (that includes copyright infringement and GPL violation) should be acted upon. With so many active posts and members, I of course have to delegate, and it is sometimes up to the mods to take the decision. When they are not sure they usually ask me, and my answer will sometimes depend on my mood or how dangerous VS important I think the infringing content might be (as I described above). So if the mods seem to behave erratically on those, it's often my fault. Again, as hgoel said above me, there's also lots of "gut feeling" and personal preferences that drive my decisions on this forum. Nobody said we were equal, and nobody said I was always fair, even though we try very hard to be.
Additionally, and it's been mentioned before, we won't treat a guy who's proven several times to be an asset for the scene the same way we'll treat people who have proven to be constant trolls and do not bring anything to the community except flame wars and trouble. Again, we are not a democracy and the concept of equality does not apply here. If you can't understand that I am more lenient towards coldbird and the ark team, than I am towards a guy who's never officially released anything more than mods (that's an example), then maybe you don't understand how the scene works.
Also, I'm giving a warning to varun for his signature which is an obvious insult to other members of this forum, including a mod, which he hasn't changed despite mod requests.
I'll use the opportunity to remind everyone that if you have problems with a specific mod, you should feel free to PM me. I do not necessarily reply, but I keep track of these things, and will be in touch with the mod (more or less aggressively) if I see a pattern.
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