Most popular programming languages Feb'2012

[m0skit0]

I already tried C# And it has stolen a lot of ideas from Java, although lately Java stole ideas from .Net And no, you can't program it without looking at the documentation, same as you can't with any other language, unless of course you already looked at it

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[hgoel0974]

I meant like, with Visual C# (Visual Studio) (Now I realize that's only for VS) But it is quite easy to work with, the errors are more understandable and working with GUI's is easier (using a WYSIWYG editor of course) Basically what I mean is, I feel C# has better tools available than C or C++ and so I find it easier

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[azrayl]

PHP, JavaScript and ActionScript (this one only works within Flash) are scripting languages which are not capable of doing anything alone.
They have to be combined with HTML/CSS at least to work.

Just plain wrong. Get yourself informed first before saying such nonsense.

I don't know why you are so aggressive and offending in regard to my post but what I said in my post is 'my oppinion and my experience'.
And hey I don't need to get myself informed first because I've been working in that business for some time already.
And I think I've spent enough time working to know that what I am saying is not plain **** as you're saying.
There's nothing wrong in those sentences.
Well maybe that you could also combine the three languages with .net and I don't know what else or some xml files though you would need a parser for that first.
But still in order to make something appear on the users screen you have to use HTML.

Actually if you are so knowledgeable about PHP just write some simple code an echo for example which is not connected to HTML^^.
Or show me some JavaScript code which actually does something without HTML, PDF, or any other document that accesses some website^^.
You won't be able to find anything.

And look at this: "While PHP originally stood for Personal Home Page, it is now said to stand for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor, a recursive acronym." it's a quote from Wikipedia.

Another thing is that PHP and JavaScript have different purposes.

Every programming language has a different purpose.

And why did you quote this?

Also PHP is a server based scripting language which doesn't even work unless you run the script on a server or an emulator.

Same as you can't compile C without a C compiler, or execute Java without a JVM, or execute C# without .Net virtual machine and so on.

since every website is made with PHP

Lolwut? No.

Yea, sorry forgot 'almost'.

But what I am missing on the graph are query languages such as mySQL, mySQL, Oracle PL/SQL.

You don't consider PHP a programming language, but you miss SQL in the list? Go home.

Now show me where I said I don't consider them as programming languages?
I was seperating different types of languages. A query language is not as complex and does not offer the functions/methods as a Script Language. Same goes for Script Languages when compared to compiled general/multipurpose languages such as c,c++,c#, etc..
Also you don't seem to know what PL/SQL is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL look it up.

PHP is pretty much useless without a database.

No, seriously, just go home get some sleep. You must learn to distinguish about how you used a language and the functionalities that language offers. The world, believe it or not, is bigger than your world.

Same applies to you.

I've been working for several airline companies in Germany, the Middle East and north Africa and what I've seen so far is that most booking, customer management, customer relationship management and loyalty management applications are made with Java and Oracle PL/SQL. And thos applications are mostly integrated via AJAX and old school iFrames into CMS's (Joomla! and Typo3 mostly) which are made with PHP.

So what is the point of this?

The point of this is that my experience tells me that this part of the graph might be true.

I don't really know how and in regard to what that graph has been made actually.

As I said, maybe you're living in your own world.

Everybody lives in his own little world still this doesn't mean that all the other little worlds must be a totally wrong, messed up pieces of work.

[Xian Nox]

PHP, JavaScript and ActionScript (this one only works within Flash) are scripting languages which are not capable of doing anything alone.
They have to be combined with HTML/CSS at least to work.

ActionScript has to be combined with HTML/CSS to at least work?
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]'Nuff said.

There's nothing wrong in those sentences.

Grammatically or spelling-wise?

Well maybe that you could also combine the three languages with .net and I don't know what else or some xml files though you would need a parser for that first.

And while we're at it, let's spice it up with some C and throw in a couple of mkvs and some txts. Because extensions make all the difference.

But still in order to make something appear on the users screen you have to use HTML.

Not necessarily.

Actually if you are so knowledgeable about PHP just write some simple code an echo for example which is not connected to HTML^^.

I might fail at this, but here goes.

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<?php echo 'Nyaa?'; ?> 

Or show me some JavaScript code which actually does something without HTML, PDF, or any other document that accesses some website^^.

Sure. Not made by me, I'm just hosting a copy for use with a script of mine. Original is here.

You won't be able to find anything.

orly

Another thing is that PHP and JavaScript have different purposes.

Every programming language has a different purpose.

And why did you quote this?

Captain Obvious to the rescue~

I'm still curious to see m0skit0's reply to this, teehee~

[azrayl]

Are you kidding me? Man come on you can't really show me a flash player and tell me it is not combined with HTML?
You just embedded it into this website which is made with PHP/HTML.

Contentwise^^. I might have some grammar/spelling issues I don't know for sure since english is not my mother language.

I don't really get what you meant with your 3rd comment. Was it sarcasm?

Yes, it is necessary to have visual output for the user. For the user it's mostly about the visuals.

I knew you would try to output some generic string with echo. But yea, your output there is a markup hypertext => HTML.

I don't know what that script does but it's being output on a HTML website. And the other website you referenced to is also all HTML.
These 2 <input type='button'>-Tags are HTML tags and as you can see they execute the script.
<input type="button" value="MD5" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_md5(document.getElementById('input').value)">
<input type="button" value="SHA-1" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_sha1(document.getElementById('input').value)">

Yes, really.

[Xian Nox]

Are you kidding me? Man come on you can't really show me a flash player and tell me it is not combined with HTML?
You just embedded it into this website which is made with PHP/HTML.

No standalone flash player? There's also applications that convert swf to exe files and provide some of the Windows API on top. Tbh, I started programming with JavaScript and then moved to Flash/ActionScript, so yes, Flash can do other things besides being built into sites.

I don't really get what you meant with your 3rd comment. Was it sarcasm?

*nods*

Yes, it is necessary to have visual output for the user. For the user it's mostly about the visuals.

You can't parse any txt files? Not sure, but iirc CFML had markup tags as well.

I knew you would try to output some generic string with echo. But yea, your output there is a markup hypertext => HTML.

Where's the markup exactly?

I don't know what that script does but it's being output on a HTML website. And the other website you referenced to is also all HTML.
These 2 <input type='button'>-Tags are HTML tags and as you can see they execute the script.
<input type="button" value="MD5" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_md5(document.getElementById('input').value)">
<input type="button" value="SHA-1" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_sha1(document.getElementById('input').value)">

They're not in the script and they're not needed to execute the script.

[codestation]

Are you kidding me? Man come on you can't really show me a flash player and tell me it is not combined with HTML?

http://peoresnada.com/flash/no_pulsar.swf
Where is your html now? BTW, a browser does more than just display HTML.... also you could download the file to your device and run it from there.

I knew you would try to output some generic string with echo. But yea, your output there is a markup hypertext => HTML.

So now are you gonna tell me that if i make a php script output csv/png/json/xml files, they are still html wrapped around these?

Actually if you are so knowledgeable about PHP just write some simple code an echo for example which is not connected to HTML^^.

So, according to you, i cannot make an application on a PC communicate with another app in an Android phone both using a PHP server to exchange the info using a binary format and without a single html tag nor using a database or a web browser?

PHP, JavaScript and ActionScript (this one only works within Flash) are scripting languages which are not capable of doing anything alone.
They have to be combined with HTML/CSS at least to work.

ORLY? So the Qt Meta Language or Qt Modeling Language (QML) that i am using right now to build applications for the desktop and mobile using Qt with Javascript is fake because isn't using HTML anywhere? It seems to work very well for me.

[azrayl]

Are you kidding me? Man come on you can't really show me a flash player and tell me it is not combined with HTML?
You just embedded it into this website which is made with PHP/HTML.

No standalone flash player? There's also applications that convert swf to exe files and provide some of the Windows API on top. Tbh, I started programming with JavaScript and then moved to Flash/ActionScript, so yes, Flash can do other things besides being built into sites.

I don't really get what you meant with your 3rd comment. Was it sarcasm?

*nods*

Yes, it is necessary to have visual output for the user. For the user it's mostly about the visuals.

You can't parse any txt files? Not sure, but iirc CFML had markup tags as well.

I knew you would try to output some generic string with echo. But yea, your output there is a markup hypertext => HTML.

Where's the markup exactly?

I don't know what that script does but it's being output on a HTML website. And the other website you referenced to is also all HTML.
These 2 <input type='button'>-Tags are HTML tags and as you can see they execute the script.
<input type="button" value="MD5" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_md5(document.getElementById('input').value)">
<input type="button" value="SHA-1" onclick="document.getElementById('hash').value = hex_sha1(document.getElementById('input').value)">

They're not in the script and they're not needed to execute the script.

Well yea you're right on the part that you can run the flash player as a standalone application but still first you would need to install it for any of your browsers. And secondly the usability for a user/customer would be close to 0 since you the user would first need to download the player and then the videos into a specific folder or copy the links one by one to stream if the player supports it.
Thinking about it..yea you're right I was wrong about this point since you could run games as standalone applications that would make sense but a music/video player,..nope.

I didn't say you can't parse txt files oO? You pretty much can parse anything. What I was saying is that you would first need to code a parser which can be hard work especially if you are working with a content management system so you can add/edit and remove parts of your content.
I don't know what CFML is.

The text (hypertext) is the markup.

I feel like we're going on about different viewpoints actually. I am talking about the viewpoint of a normal user without coding knowledge.
A user must see something and click buttons, etc.. How would somebody without any programming knowledge know how to execute your script if a button or something else to click on is not existent?

Is this a discussion or did it escalate into an argument? I'm not posting stuff to make enemies or something.

[azrayl]

Are you kidding me? Man come on you can't really show me a flash player and tell me it is not combined with HTML?

http://peoresnada.com/flash/no_pulsar.swf
Where is your html now? BTW, a browser does more than just display HTML.... also you could download the file to your device and run it from there.

I knew you would try to output some generic string with echo. But yea, your output there is a markup hypertext => HTML.

So now are you gonna tell me that if i make a php script output csv/png/json/xml files, they are still html wrapped around these?

Actually if you are so knowledgeable about PHP just write some simple code an echo for example which is not connected to HTML^^.

So, according to you, i cannot make an application on a PC communicate with another app in an Android phone both using a PHP server to exchange the info using a binary format and without a single html tag nor using a database or a web browser?

PHP, JavaScript and ActionScript (this one only works within Flash) are scripting languages which are not capable of doing anything alone.
They have to be combined with HTML/CSS at least to work.

ORLY? So the Qt Meta Language or Qt Modeling Language (QML) that i am using right now to build applications for the desktop and mobile using Qt with Javascript is fake because isn't using HTML anywhere? It seems to work very well for me.

- Let me show you your sourcecode for that link:

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<html>
<head>
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width; height=device-height;">
<title>no_pulsar.swf (application/x-shockwave-flash-Objekt)</title>
</head>
<body marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
<embed width="100%" height="100%" name="plugin" src="http://peoresnada.com/flash/no_pulsar.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
</body>
</html>

- Yes, Xian Nox was saying the same. And yea I was wrong or not specific enough I guess.

- Err no, but what does your question have to do with me saying that Xian Nox's output was an HTML output?
You can output the files you mentioned with PHP but PHP is not really meant to create png, csv or any other files. It's meant to create websites.
You outputting a json file with PHP would help you do other things easier with json but that's not really the purpose of using PHP is it?

- As long as the PHP script is parsed on the PHP server that should be possible yes. The only thing I am asking myself now is how and when is this script executed? Is there even any user interaction?
If there's a user who needs to fill in/edit or remove data then you would need a ui and for a PHP script a website would be the solution. And to see the website you would need a browser.
But anyways I am kinda missing the 'website' part in this whole debate. I thought I said that I am referring to websites. I am a web person.

- That last point of yours does not count since your QML is a mixture type of language. And yea your the info you get on wikipedia also states that QML is only based on Javascript. It is not Javascript alone. Looking at the syntax it looks more like Actionscript. You can't import any libraries, classes, etc. in Javascript.
And again I am a web person and was talking about websites.

[Acid_Snake]

I'll allow this obvious double post just because the posts are big and imo it's best to have a double post than one big *** post, but try to avoid double posts for the next time