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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by Infinite Chalupas » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:44 pm

fate6 wrote:I smell a taco looking for a warning
I was referring to the fact they believed they were entitled to the source of someone elses work. Totally on-topic.
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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by fate6 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:47 pm

Just messing around is all mister Winblows nub :3
(And no its not on-topic and yes I know i'm overly strict)

EDIT: Wait a sec! What OP was asking for is details that katsu himself said he would share >__>
If he would have simply said that he no longer plans on sharing said details then fine but nope simple didn't say anything so people started to wonder what happened
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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by yifanlu » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:09 pm

I'm fine with purchasing a mod to do this as long as it's much cheaper than the USB video mod. It's not possible without some kind of signal converter chip, whether that's the FPGA chip like on the USB video mod (which is most likely the most expensive part of the mod) or a dedicated MIPI to TDMI converter chip (like the VitaTV has, not sure about pricing in bulk), having schematics wouldn't be useful anyways.

Of course, the skeptic in me has a bit of doubt over the entire thing until someone else reproduces the results, including the cart dumping.

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by Acid_Snake » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:35 pm

Infinite Chalupas wrote:I smell a linux user.
I smell corporate fanboy

little hint: not all linux programs are open source, and not all linux users want the source code of everything, I personally respect a dev's choice of license, so long as it's not an abusive one.

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by Infinite Chalupas » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:58 pm

Acid_Snake wrote:
Infinite Chalupas wrote:I smell a linux user.
I smell corporate fanboy

little hint: not all linux programs are open source, and not all linux users want the source code of everything, I personally respect a dev's choice of license, so long as it's not an abusive one.
AAAAHHG. You caught me. Seriously though, terrible driver and library support and having 8 completely different versions of Linux crash on me for absolutely no reason was enough incentive for me to not want to go near Linux again. That, and I've seen the code for enough open source projects to know that people cannot cooperate together on a project anonymously without creating code that resembles ground beef with a bug for every ounce of fat.

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by SMOKE » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:14 am

Let's get back on topic and stop talking about Linux...

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by eighthdayregret » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:03 am

DS_Marine wrote:Lol are you DEMANDING timely updates on a sensitive project? You got all excited by a POC, and afaik he didn't made any promises so... wait?
nazar_ops wrote:This.
DS_Marine wrote:Lol are you DEMANDING timely updates on a sensitive project? You got all excited by a POC, and afaik he didn't made any promises so... wait?
Actually he did say "details soon" on Twitter to the people who were wondering if he is going to tell them.
You are aware that the word "soon" is entirely subjective, right?
And as far as releasing the info so no one can sell it?
Look at your cell phone. I betcha it's Android. You know that's open-source, right? That anyone can program for it?
But you paid money for it.
The Google Nexus is something like $400 if you buy it from Google, but if you buy it from a phone company, it's $600. There is no difference at all in the build of the phone, you're simply paying an extra $200 to make it so you CAN'T modify OPEN-SOURCE software on YOUR PHONE that YOU paid good money for and a bunch of bloatware that you can't get rid of.

So yeah, even if katsu DID release the details of how to perform the HD output mod, some f**king pr!ck would package it up and sell it, and some other idiot would pay him for it.

It happens all the time.
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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by mlc » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:50 am

eighthdayregret wrote:
So yeah, even if katsu DID release the details of how to perform the HD output mod, some f**king pr!ck would package it up and sell it, and some other idiot would pay him for it.

It happens all the time.
Yes, but there is a physical service to be performed, and one which requires some level of skill. The mod doesn't allow piracy or anything else immoral, so refusing to explain it because someone may attempt to do it for a profit makes little sense. Anything that is described in such a way as to be able to perform the actions yourself can be used for profit, assuming there are people willing to pay for it; we come down to quibbling about what counts as useful public knowledge and what is a reasonable profit margin on a difficult service.

I obviously can't say he didn't do it, and I don't have much of an opinion on it either way, but you can see why refusing to release such useful info seems suspicious. There are however some reasonable excuses, like being worried about scammers stealing devices (certainly worse than merely overpaying for a service) or more reasonably concern about some company's legal position on being able to get relatively high quality screen/asset grabs that they expected were well protected from "theft."

The biggest "screw you" to small companies making you offers on your "proprietary" technique would be to publicly release it, as then any company attempting to do it will face the maximum possible competition from both hobbyists and other companies. Clearly that's still going to lead to some "abuse" through price gouging, but much less than could occur if someone else discovered his method and chose to sell it privately. (i.e. the rational benefits to no release are purely personal, rather than "for the good of the community.")

Though if the method is extremely difficult and an easy way to break the majority of Vitas you try it on, I could see being worried that less than reputable companies will offer a hugely overpriced for profit service, through which they break a fair portion of customer's devices with no easy recourse due to being somewhat grey market.

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by Steven » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:55 am

Now this topic just reminds me of FF Type-0 discussion in gamefaqs where a guy claims that the translation is fake. :lol:

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Re: I think that Katsu's HDMI MOD is fake

Post by yifanlu » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:57 am

I'm hopeful but I'm also skeptical that the mod, if it comes out, would be cheap. Unless katsu confirms that no IC is needed for his mod and can be done with purely resistors and capacitors, I don't think it's going to be any cheaper than the USB mod. In theory, you can even take the USB mod, reprogram the FPGA and add in an HDMI port and it would work just as fine.

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