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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by wololo » Sun May 22, 2011 2:12 am

gzyboz wrote: there are soo many programmers like Wololo, that can make really great apps(HBL,Wagic),but no one of them is making a HEN???
We don't all have the same goals. My personal motivation is homebrew, and most of them run on 6.38 because now we can sign them. So I'm one of the many devs that don't have any reason to work on a 6.38 Hen. Additionally, finding a Kernel exploit requires lots of free time, which most grown ups don't have, so yes, this is why the most likely candidates for creating a Hen are high-schoolers and students.
gzyboz wrote: i'm not a programmer, and it's the only thing that stops me from creating my own hen.
This is NOT an excuse, it never was. Do you think there is a school out there that teaches you how to hack the PSP? Each hacker, at some point, is someone who told themselves "screw that, I'm not gonna wait for any other person to hack my PSP, I'll learn how it is done!"

The information to do this is everywhere on the net, it is not hidden, everything one needs to know is available for free if you know how to use google, and the tools used for that are free as well (psplink, psardumper, and the psp toolchain)

Also, you DON'T need to be anywhere close to a good programmer to create a hen. It doesn't require any of the knowledge one would learn in an engineering school. Not saying that people who created Hens are not good, but rather that the required skills are self taught, and completely different from programmers' skills.

If you have time, dedication, a PSP, and a brain, you're qualified.

Also, why is it easier for total_noob than for others? Well, simply, he already spent months (years?) reversing the PSP firmware, so he knows it like his pocket. It makes it easier for him to intuitively spot places that might be vulnerable. Again, it's not something that can be taught, you have to do it by yourself to get the experience required to spot these things. Nobody can teach you that.
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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by DaedalusX64Rules » Sun May 22, 2011 2:27 am

I just made a video of the FAKE 6.38 kernal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1WLkIuxzYI
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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by angelic_sedition » Sun May 22, 2011 2:51 am

I completely agree with Wololo about the first part, but I would guess total_noob didn't start out with no programming experience and just decide to try to find a kernel exploit so that he could have hen for his psp. It would be pointless to attempt to find a kernel exploit and build a hen for 6.38 if you had no programming experience, or even if you had a little. You wouldn't get anywhere before one was released. Starting to learn to things so that you could start making hens in the future is different. As Wololo said, finding a kernel exploit requires a lot of free time, and beyond that, a huge amount of previous experience. Without a kernel exploit, there is no hen. I think gzyboz was talking about not having the experience to be able to find a kernel exploit and make a hen.
Maybe I am looking at this from a different point of view thinking of different definitions for the words, but I say that if something can't be taught, it can't be learned. Maybe something can't be taught well, or maybe you have to learn for yourself… I can't think of any specific examples at the moment. Intuitively? Maybe his massive amount of experience with this gives him a feel for finding vulnerabilities. Subconsciously, he can tell when there's something that could possibly lead to a kernel exploit. I won't claim to know a lot about finding vulnerabilities in the kernel, but I would assume that there is at least some sort of method to go about finding one. It may not be straight forward and may be somewhat unstructured… I don't know… but I don't think it's just looking around randomly and feeling that there's something to exploit. Maybe someone can't teach you three easy steps to finding a kernel exploit, but he/she could probably share his/her experiences with you and give you some direction. Gaining the experience to do anything almost always requires getting information from others, whether you are actively communicating with them or not. You look up tutorials on programming… maybe someone's not right next to you explaining concepts to you, but you're not pulling the information out of thin air. You don't have to go solo.
I'm not trying to say anyone's wrong or be offensive. I just think that it's not realistic to dive into making a hen with no experience because no one else has released one. There are steps before that. I also think that working together and learning from others can be very helpful. You have to start out somewhere, and I agree that this is not an excuse for people to complain and not start at all. No one should have the right to complain about what others are doing for them for free. Anyone who sits back, lets everyone else do the work for him/her, never makes any effort to help or do something for himself/herself, and then gets angry when he/she doesn't get what she wants doesn't deserve to have anything done for them. Using "I'm not a programmer" as an excuse when just entering the psp scene may be a legitimate excuse. Some just found out about psp hacking and may want to help, but they just don't have the ability to immediately do anything big. CONTINUALLY using the excuse "I'm not a programmer, and if I was, I would do it myself" shows that someone is a useless leech and not really sincere. They've had every chance to be learn the needed skills to do something for themselves, but they really don't want to take the time or effort. There are people like this everywhere… you can't really get away from them. I think its better to just ignore them and treat them with the importance they deserve.
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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by DaAnimeOtaku » Sun May 22, 2011 4:51 am

Wololo wrote:Also, why is it easier for total_noob than for others? Well, simply, he already spent months (years?) reversing the PSP firmware, so he knows it like his pocket. It makes it easier for him to intuitively spot places that might be vulnerable. Again, it's not something that can be taught, you have to do it by yourself to get the experience required to spot these things. Nobody can teach you that.
gratz on 888th post wololo. :3
u are very lucky if u catch my drift. :D

we are all lucky!!
that total_noob has revived the psp scene with his 6.20 hen.
it has shed light to psp users all over the world. :)
and if he chooses to not release the 6.38 hen, then TOUGH.

as wololo said, homebrew is now able to be played on ofw and now with the genesis comp, there are new homebrews coming out almost every week.
we are all very fortunate, so stop complaining.

if you want the hen, make it urself. obviously it takes bucket loads of time and effort.
so rather than being a leecher, be a contributer. :D
then u can be the next t_n and shed light to fellow psp users around the world. :)
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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by Mr_Nerve » Mon May 23, 2011 4:11 am

Could this be true? :o :shock: :shock:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6398
My PSP's: 1 PSP Go Black, 1 PSP 3000 God of War (Black & Red), 1 PSP 3000 Metal Gear Solid (Spirited Green), 1 PSP 3000 Hannah Montana (Lilac), 1 PSP 3000 Invizimals (Blue), 1 PSP 2000 Star Wars (White), 1 Psp 2000 Daxter (Silver)

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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by Mr_Nerve » Mon May 23, 2011 5:46 am

No need for 6.38 TN-A, 6.38 downgrader already released! :lol:

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6403&start=10
My PSP's: 1 PSP Go Black, 1 PSP 3000 God of War (Black & Red), 1 PSP 3000 Metal Gear Solid (Spirited Green), 1 PSP 3000 Hannah Montana (Lilac), 1 PSP 3000 Invizimals (Blue), 1 PSP 2000 Star Wars (White), 1 Psp 2000 Daxter (Silver)

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Re: 6.38 Kernel Exploit - Not even kidding.

Post by Dalton_Corazon » Mon May 23, 2011 8:53 am

Mr_Nerve wrote:Could this be true? :o :shock: :shock:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6398
Thus, The thread has been closed by the mod for any speculation for the upcoming June.. Spoilers meant to be pend :lol:

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