Opinion: “Stargate 3DS” marketing highlights a major flaw with the scene


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89 Responses

  1. Dinckelman

    I can’t imagine who this 100$ cart is for

    • Poppy

      Yeah, considering you can hack the 3DS on any firm now, and just install a CIA the only reason for a FlashCart is to play DS games, and run the exploit that hacks the console which in that case just buy a $15 cart, and stay the heck away from this one

      • ZeroSbr

        I had no idea every firmware is hackable. How would I hack my 3DS? Is the N2DSXL hackable too? I’ve searched, but can’t find any coherent way to hack it. The 3DS scene seems incredibly disorganized compared to the Vita/PSP scene.

        • khalaan

          Dsiware game injection works fantastically. My N3DS Mario Edition: Black gladly gave up its NNID for my shiny new N2DSXL and now they are in happy sync state with each other for home brew loaded on their 128gb cards. 3ds.guide

        • satan89

          Did you really search?

          • ZeroSbr

            I did. That guide isn’t helpful. It claims that I need 2 devices, or I’d need to mess around with the innards of my system (soldering), or I’d need to buy a flash cart. The PSP/Vita scene isn’t this messy. You don’t need 2 devices to install CFW on either of them, nor do you need to solder, nor do you need a flashcart or any other dongle. It’s a program that you run, so long as you’re on the right FW. I only have a N2DS XL, which means that the lowest possible firmware I can have is 11.4, which (according to that same guide) seems to leave me with using a flash cart or soldering. No thanks, I’ll wait until the 3DS scene matures a bit.

            If it never becomes possible to install CFW as easy as on PSP, I’ll just use my Vita I guess.

          • dragonkid6

            @ZeroSbr your just lazy bud, a DS flashcard and a *** magnet. This is modding genius. DS flashcarts are 8-20 dollars.

          • Nightwish

            You’re just completely wrong. Henkaku is not going to help you on a patched VITA either.
            As to the PSP… lol, you just weren’t there at the time. You had to hack a battery without it exploding on you, until you could buy a safe chinese device to do it with.
            Then you had to keep up with all the different CFW versions there were and the pains of switching between them while making sure to not update OFW. Sure, now it’s easy since all the keys have been found, good luck on that happening on any other console. Not even the PS3.

          • ZeroSbr

            No, I’m evidently not completely wrong. I have installed Henkaku on my 3.60 Vita, and it didn’t take any hardware mods to achieve it. All I had to do was keep my Vita on 3.60, and then run a program. With the N2DS XL, this seems to not be the case. It ships with 11.4, and so it doesn’t matter what I do: I will need to alter it in some way or buy I game I probably don’t want in order to install CFW. That, to me, is not worth it. Thus, I’m completely right.

            Whether or not the PSP was always as easy to hack as it is now is irrelevant. Right now, it’s a very streamlined, simple process. That’s my point. It doesn’t matter if I wasn’t involved with the scene back when it was new. That’s not relevant. The PSP scene is streamlined, the 3DS scene isn’t.

          • Favna

            @ZeroSbr Did you ever realize Nintendo and Sony are different companies? Did you ever realize the PSP/Vita and 3DS are completely different devices with completely different hardware, security measures, frameworks, system OS, security researchers and basically everything different? Probably not.

          • TheDarkNerd

            The 3DS scene is actually extremely streamlined. It’s just unfortunate that you are on a firmware that does not have a free method of exploiting. The $15 flashcart solution is pretty straightforward, though admittedly I don’t know if you can easily make the flashcart usable again as a DS flashcart if you didn’t back up the cart (using an already exploited system) before turning it into an exploit cart.

            Just think of it like this: would you make the same argument about Henkaku for the Vita being non-streamlined if they came out with a variety of methods, none of which were free or easy, to install downgrades for systems that were already updated past 3.60?

          • ZeroSbr

            Is there a way to downgrade for either the 3DS or Vita, though? I thought it was expressly said that there wasn’t yet. And sure, for the people who have a regular N3DS or a N3DS XL I guess the 3DS scene could be considered streamlined. Definitely not for anyone who only has a N2DS XL, though.

          • Dinckelman

            You don’t need to downgrade the 3DS anymore to get exploits running, since the hardware itself has a flaw that you abuse with the NTRBoot exploit. For the Vita, we all know how it is

          • ZeroSbr

            Flaw is in the hardware…does your method require soldering or other hardware modding?

          • Dinckelman

            Nope, that’s the key. With NTRBoot you don’t mess with the actual hardware at all. You use a bootrom flaw to flash custom firmware

        • TheTechDoc

          You will need to use NTRboot hax with a certain flash card that’s flashed, go to 3ds.guide and follow the guide for NTRboot hax

          • ZeroSbr

            Except I even said (before you posted this) that buying a flash cart to install CFW is not something I’m willing to do. I’m sure there will eventually be a method that does not require an end-user to buy a flash cart, solder, or buy a game they likely don’t even want. I’ll wait for that to happen.

        • Severdnerv

          Yeah I hacked my 2DSXL took bout hour but u needed an already hacked 3ds to help with the game injection.. but yeah it’s a great time to get a 3ds/2ds

    • jm8080

      It was sold out in the first few hours of the pre-order phase, yeah…….who is it for indeed…….

  2. Jomoko

    Capitalism rules

  3. Almeric

    I think that there is a market for everything and for everyone. Some people will pay just for the convenience of having the cart doing all the work. Others will spend a bit of time and do it themselves.
    What I think that is wrong is when you have misleading information and promises and try to take advantage. The 3ds scene is well documented and there are lots of step-by-step manuals on how to hack your device.
    So if Stargate wants to pack all these tools and sell it, let them be is not like they are lying or promising stuff that is not true. You pay for your own convenience.

  4. K22

    Hardware solutions are usually the easiest routes to choose at times, but are always pricier in the end. This new world of software hacks are excellent because they always bring with them a community that builds and supports it (look at the Wii, PS2/PS3, 3DS for examples of this), yet it can be harder to get into because of the wall of text that scares people away for installs…..yet even then the community holds hands to get users through this.

    I have been hacking since the 8-bit days (my first copier was a Happy disk copier) and it’s refreshing to see software/community take over because it offers more than just piracy and the support doesn’t dry up and blow away like it does for hardware when the retailers are no longer selling it. You want support for a software memory card mod for your PS2? There are many places out there with people ready to help you get started and find success if you are willing to work for it. Need support for that old PS2 mod chip….good luck.

    Some hardware solutions make sense (like the current wave of laser replacements boards in older systems), but you will pay a greater price to access it. Even these avenues are software run and have communities supporting them.

    So if you don’t want to learn and don’t mind spending the cash you can take the hardware route, but never forget it’s limitations with support and software.

    • darkdenizen

      I have an N3DS at the current available firmware. The question isn’t “how hard is it to follow X guide”, it’s the fact that apparently in order to get CFW on it, I’m going to have to have access to another 3DS with CFW preinstalled. So the “free” solution is buy another 3DS…?

      • Rei

        Sigh, you need to read more.. You can get a Hax Homebrew Entrypoint absolutely for free, and…the methods you are talking about can be done with a regular DS which at least one of your friends has packed up in a box or their children/siblings already own. Read just a little bit more. And a regular DS is super cheap these days anyways, you could just return it immediately after using it and it will only take about three minutes!

        • Rei

          What you need:
          Source System: NDS (don’t get a DSi)
          Target System: Your 3DS system
          Flashcart: Acekard or R4i Gold 3DS RTS – and since you didn’t state that you didn’t have a flashcart then I am assuming that you own one.

        • Nah

          Sigh – you’re current firmware has no free entry points, and you do indeed need a DS cart, which isn’t free, or a not free game, which, isn’t free, a friend, which isn’t free, and at least beginner level internet skills to download and extract files and put them on an SD card…

          I agree we are in the realm of software solutions. But that doesn’t mean a flashcard will sell 0 copies, or even that it shouldn’t be an option.

          A new flashcard hits the market… the audience for it is small but who are we to tell someone they can’t try and sell a product. If you dont want/need it.. dont buy it. Its not hurting anyone to have an option for those who want it.

      • Nightwish

        Or know some who does. If that’s what exists, that’s what exists, the same way henkaku isn’t going to help you on a 3.65 Vita.

    • Renn

      “…two consoles…”

      And I’m out.

  5. anonymous

    It doesn’t get any easier than this. For free.

  6. TheTechDoc

    most people who want CFW dont, know how to install it and usually end up giving the device to someone to mod (such as myself) this is usually parents trying to save a few bucks for their kids consoles, or 20 somethings that have no clue what the heck they are doing and just want the new pokemon, in my opinion, its these people who the device appeals to, a plug and play solution thats as easy as using a DS flash cart on a DS Lite back in the day,

    however knowing what the 3ds is like, its very possible that the setup for this device (namely adding roms to it) is still too complicated for (forgive my rudeness) stupid end users like I mentioned above, and chances are they will still bring this product to someone like me to set up for them.

  7. Badi

    I can just appreciate more the job that Molecule team did when designing Henkaku.
    3DS hacking might be easy but to outsiders it doesn’t look like that. The moment I decided to hack my vita I was like “just like this? Isn’t there anything else I have to do?” literally just a URL and some taps on the screen.

    • TheDarkNerd

      The big issues for me were upgrading my system to 3.60 when 3.61 was the latest firmware, and transferring files between my PC and my Vita. Neither of those were nearly as friendly as the step of, “enter this URL”.

    • StickBrush

      Eh… Do you know how easy it is to hack a 3DS in FW 11.3 or below?

      If we keep it to homebrew, such as Henkaku… You just put a few files in your SD card and open a song in 3DS Sound. Nothing else.

      But, if you want CFW such as Henkaku Enso…
      Put some files in the SD card.
      Open a song in 3DS Sound app.
      Execute two programs.

      Sure, it looks hard to outsiders because if you have updated your system, you require another device or a flashcart, or soldering. But hey, let’s see what can you do what an updated Vita…
      Oh wait. Nothing at all.

      Sure, 3DS hacking was hard in the old times, when you needed to hardmod your console. Even when you had to downgrade. But now, it’s easy as heck.

  8. Altemecya

    100$ means nothing for some people. And this kind of people will buy it without a second thought. This reminds me the first time I softmoded my wii, so many prepartion to make so many tutorial to read, to be short its such a pain in the ***. So far vita’s henkaku hack is the simplest hack I ever done on console/handheld, awesome work molecule team.

  9. Tro

    Naaaaa No Money … 3ds.guide or a friend who has an Hacked 3ds already, + maybe you can lern nice things from @ll the free source codes (more worth as money)

  10. Adrien

    What’s wrong with these people ? Paying for someone else to do the cool stuff ?
    I have more fun today breaking through the “Homebrew;Gate” by myself than playing games once it is achieved (Million thanks to the true hackers by the way). But I may be a friggin tech nerd after all…

    French engineers may just be weird stuff…N’est-ce pas Wololo ?

    Portez-vous bien et merci pour votre travail !

    • lol

      Many including my sister has no interest in learning how to hack 3ds, nor does she even think its cool. She just wants free games. I understand why some prefer to pay instead….but $100…..these guys are just pure greed

      • BenoitRen

        Not wanting to pay for the hard work that developers put into their games is also greedy.

        • Adrien

          Hacking doesn’t essentially mean that you know ?
          If PSOne or Megadrive legacies were available on the VITA store, I would never have been interested in Wololo in the first place.

          I own my very copy of every game I play on the VITA, it is just not meant to be playable on it 🙂

        • ZeroSbr

          You’re assuming they put “hard work” into their games, and you’re also assuming the amount of work they put into their games are worth the asking price. Just because a company is selling something for $60 USD does not mean it’s worth $60 USD. The price of something is determined by the buyer, not the seller. Prices of things increase or decrease depending on buyer demand, hence why I say that price (and therefore worth) is determined by the buyer.

        • yes but...

          BenoitRen, but this is different, these developers of this flashcart know many will want it and they have put a premium price on it instead of a reasonable price, which was my point.

        • Tim

          Welcome to the world outside the 3ds hacking scene, where most members don’t pretend like there’s any other reason lol

      • ZeroSbr

        That’s how Capitalism works. If someone will pay $100 for a flash cart, that flash cart is worth $100. If no one buys it, maybe the devs will be inclined to lower the price.

      • alpmaster

        Your insane it has so many features $100 for a huge library of games is nothing my friend. 2 Pokemon games value $80 alone. This card says it plays SNES and NES,3DS and NDS all on latest firmware that’s insane and totally worth the money if it is true.

        • Snappy G

          You can play Snes, Nes, GB, GBA, 3DS, Scumm, Homebrew, Mods and a lot more for free on CFW.
          And the DS games you can just play with an $8 flash cart which you probable got anyways to hack the 3DS.

        • HideousTroll

          So, you are telling us that it can literally do less than a hacked 3DS. Interesting. With a hacked 3DS you can play those systems plus many others such as Gba, GBC, and many more.