Can PSP isos run on PS Vita 3.60 with HENkaku?
One of the major questions that has surfaced after the HENkaku hack release for PS Vita 3.60, is the support (or lack thereof) of PSP isos and Vita game “backups”.
The jury is still out to understand if Vita piracy is now technically possible through HENkaku. Team molecule, the developers behind HENkaku, said they have made it “difficult”, but of course can’t guarantee it’s impossible. As I’ve stated before, if it’s easy we will see the release of a backup loader within days of the HENkaku release. So far, this hasn’t happened.
PSP isos on the other hand feel like they should be “easier”. The PSP Homebrew Loader VHBL can be installed in a Bubble, so why not PSP isos?
The current state is that running PSP isos would require an ePSP kernel exploit (a kernel exploit within the kernel emulator on the Vita). All the publicly known ePSP kernel exploits have been patched is past Vita firmware updates, and nobody on the scene has stepped up so far to release one, or even announce they have one.
But you never know, hackers are full of surprises.
In the meantime, people are toying with other ideas. Certainly, with HENkaku unlocking some native parts of the PS Vita, there might be other approaches that could work. People have gone as far as suggesting to modify the ePSP emulator at runtime through HENkaku. I have no idea if that is even possible, although I assume it could be a possibility if HENkaku does have access to all running processes once it is loaded in RAM…
PSP piracy on the PS Vita would probably not do too much damage to Sony at this point. the PSP has been pirated since day one. PS Vita piracy, on the other hand, is currently limited to the (not so popular) Cobra blackfin. A Vita backup loader could become a problem for the company (although at this point I do believe the bulk of their game sales does not come from the PS Vita – and that’s a euphemism here).
But so far, the answer is no. Neither PSP isos nor PS Vita backups can be run through HENkaku.
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I think it’s crappy they’re intentionally trying to block piracy. Not going out of their way to try and help it happen is one thing, but going out of their way to prevent it is another. Don’t know why so many people in the scene get on their high horse when it comes to piracy, you think they pay for all their *** and music and movies legally? I doubt it, and if not they’re every bit as guilty.
This is like the 3DS scene with smea all over again. 3DS piracy has been out how long now and did games stop releasing or all start commercially failing? No. I don’t even personally care much about vita piracy I’m more interested in PSP games, emulators, and translations, but I can’t stand people who try and be moral guardians for others
Just my 2 cents, I am grateful they made it at all and I am still very excited about all the cool stuff, but this ” we believe we can do better” *** is eye roll inducing
One of the main reasons is because if they released a way to pirate vita games, THEY and mainly THEY will be held accountable for the availability for piracy. I am sure that they feel the same way as i do. me personally already own the games that are “good” for the vita. in all honesty there really are not many of them. But we love to write code and play around with the internals of the console. it IS NOT about piracy for us. it is about the freedom to be able to write and execute code using the full power of the console (in my opinion should have been allowed by suckny) so say that someone pirated ALL the games in the vita library. and think that most games would run ~$10-$30. This alone would more then likely cause suckny to come down hard”er” on the ones of us that just want to mess with the handheld. So that if trouble ever did come of it they could explain how they purposely tried to prevent this issue by blocking portions of the system that would allow piracy. honestly if you are REALLY that *** that someone is trying to help the vita community by allowing the most stuff they can without allowing piracy.. well then you are not into it for the same reasons(tinkering) as some of us other ones. The only thing i can say is stay on a lower FW and pirate all of the psp games that you want.
I think you’ll find it’s that they don’t want to be sued or jailed by the company as they aren’t acting anonymously.
Same here!! i don’t understand the point of jailbreaking a device when the hackers themselves put limits on what you can do with it…
I mean… if they don’t want piracy is ok they don’t release a method for it, but putting limits and making it harder?
I think you guys are taking this a bit wrong. Henkaku is not put in place to prevent or even slow down the production of any piracy tactics. Henkaku is built from the ground up as a way to load homebrew directly from the native system which DOES NOT allow users to bypass any DRM. This does not mean it stops that from happening, but there are no steps taken to trying to bypass it.
Essentially Henkaku does nothing related to piracy. Not to help it or to stop it. It is rather a neutral environment which believe it or not is for the better so we have an exploit for the Vita that is much close to being something “Legal” rather than “Illegal” which has it’s benefits.
Lets leave the piracy to the devs that actually want to do such.
To have the best of both World why not Bring Henkaku support to Older Firmwares with ePSP exploits
I hope so ,I still stay on 3.18 because I can play more and stable emulator than 3.60 besides I even can play psp and ps1 so I decide not to update
I love these “Why not xy?” comments here all the time.
Its not that easy. They dont just go “Hmm why not hack this?” and do it. It takes research, an in depth understanding of the underlying systems and a loooooot of time to find & exploit a vulnerability.
We get them because team molecule made it “difficult” to enable piracy when they should have done nothing to enable it and nothing to make it difficult. That is just fighting the growth of the scene. Scenes die when there is no piracy, scenes explode when it does happen. Piracy doesn’t kill consoles like people say, if a game or console has great features and games it’ll survive. The DS did and so is the 3DS. The PS3 did as well. It’s proven time and time again piracy doesn’t kill consoles, the developers and companies do because they think they can half *** it or just not support it and assume it’ll survive.
I’d rather they didn’t waste their time in something like that. Given time, 3.60 will have access to all the good things about lower firmwares, and there’d be no reason to stay on lower firmwares.
If it’s as much work to port to lower firmwares as they’re making it, what’d be the point?
This is more then likely the reason that it was not released for lower FW. not to mention they could have found a hole that was introduced into the 3.60 FW that was not previously there. and allowed them to do such things. instead of trying to chase the tail with some of the exploits. got to exploit this to run this part and exploit that to run that part. they may have found one that allowed them access to all the features they required.. who knows. but i am very happy with their work makes my tinkering that much easier and it ALSO creates bubbles FOR me. THANKS GUYS. LOVE IT!
So far, modifying the emulator itself at runtime seems to be the most direct way to get results. Sitting down and waiting for an exploit to appear might give no results at all.
I think they won’t port it because the “perfect” firmware won’t exist anymore.
I got one from the wild PS Vita Firmware 3.18
They (TM) probably won’t because the only thing it will do is enabling (PSP and PS1) piracy which they explicitly stated they (a) don’t care about and (b) specifically made it difficult to happen (note the contradiction).
Still, someone else will, especially now that the exploit has been publicly analyzed in a “teardown” posted in the other article’s comments and in /talk
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vita piracy is a must! MAKE IT OR BREAK IT!
vita is dead anyways, a piracy act would atlas revive it (increase sony console sales) for a few more months! 🙂
Not to mention make homebrew easier to work with. All these devs dancing around piracy have made it harder for themselves.
yep totally!
Not just consoles either something like that would give people incentive to purchase bigger m2 cards also. I understand there are reasons it hasn’t been done yet. I’m sure we’ll see “tn-v/ark” like things shortly after the next or next couple fw updates.
yep, if they don’t allow it this will be just another forgotten exploit.
I wouldn’t increase console sales. I have two Vitas, my original and one I picked up used. Everytime I go into a used game store, they have 3-10 Vitas. If the scene was revived by full exploit, I am confident NEW Vita sales would pale in comparison to USED Vita sales. Which does nothing for Sony.
First again!
Epic fail
again. 😛
Vita games costs more than 4 times more than on PC or Android!!! And its not surprising that no one wants to buy games on it. Every day I sorry that I bought it but can’t sell because this piece of *** is very cute.
P.S. sorry for my English
Sony, what a *** stupid close minded company. Just look at the divided annoying PSN stores *** up the library instead of having one big *** international one available to all accounts just like steam.
Why would a Vita backup loader be a problem for the company? About the only ones still releasing Vita games are Limited Run, and their target group won’t use backups. For Sony the Vita is dead.
Pssh… piracy would help the vita. Piracy didn’t kill the PSP. It is what made it last so long. Sony and the developers lack of game libraries and lack of support is what killed the PSP and Vita. There were quite a few amazing games on the PSP but those could really be counted on a pair of hands. The vita has so much more potential for amazing games and Sony straight up wrote it off.
The homebrew scene and the piracy scene sold PSP units, as it would do with the vita. Not only that a cfw would keep the amazing hardware event longer. Cfw on the PSP is only what made it the amazing handheld it is. All the plugins and add-ons that Sony wouldn’t implement was the best.
Funny how a LOT of stuff wasn’t officially supported by Sony until the ps superuser community showed them and the world what it was really capable of.
tru dat!
I still stay on 3.18 because I can play more and stable emulator than 3.60 besides I even can play psp and ps1 so I decide not to update
HENkaku’s emulator only can get more stable and even better with the full Vita hardware, then the old PSP hardware using ePSP.
PSP and PS1 runs on new ePSP kernel exploits bubble are probably time matters.
I don’t really care about pirating psp games, but I hope people don’t start pirating ps vita games
well if vita is dead and pirating vita games gonna resurrect it, ofc maybe it’ll boosting vita sales
but It’ll make developer&/publisher hesitating in developing vita games
So what are you gonna play with very few selection of games in vita?
I don’t endorse vita games piracy but I do endorse game modding (both need game backups right?)
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developers&publishers don’t care at all what do we expect to release another altelier game? The vita is long dead maybe his final year will be 2017 so I hope the realese the full potential of the console now that their can. if it is for sony they patch the console and let it die anyway.
Develpoers & publishers outside inde devs are already hesitant on making games. The vita library isn’t as small as you think there just aren’t huge titles like gta like there was for the psp. Interesting how rockstar seems to have no interest in a console on lockdown like the vita for example but will make multiple games for one that’s been freed aka psp. Piracy would surely resurrect the vita. People would need a console ~$100 – $150 then they’d need more than 1gb so they’d have to get an m2 card or a few which we all know would cost an arm or leg. If thousands of people are spending hundreds of dollars Sony would be making millions directly due to piracy. Now should you just pirate? No find a game that looks cool try it out then if you like it buy it if not then there’s obviously no reason to keep it so just delete it. I think that’s one of the more ethical ways to do it but that’s just me.
pfff did you watch last e3? did you see any vita announcement?
People blamed piracy on the PSP’s early woes but that’s stupidity. Because yeah, it had a “piracy” “problem” but what it really had was a games problem. People didn’t want to play console ports on it at the time, or at least only console ports.
If piracy was the issue for the PSP’s early days it never would have recovered and made Sony a tidy profit in the end! If anything, piracy and homebrew SAVED the PSP when people were buying the hardware when they didn’t have games they wanted.
If piracy would have mattered, the PS3 wouldn’t have sank Sony as much as it did until they basically turned it around with PSplus, oh and yeah, getting more and better 1st and 3rd party games might have helped. MAYBE!….
It’s just stupid to avoid “piracy” with homebrew. It just gets in the way. ALWAYS. Eventually it does and trying to “avoid” it is just stupid. It’s already a disservice to sony to homebrew on the Vita if you’re going to go as far as say people pirating what they wouldn’t buy anyway in the first place matters.
Piracy also helps preserve games. Do we really want to trust sony to archive some of the exclusive digital titles on Vita? Or would we like more games to be lost to time over the *** excuse of “piracy”?
Piracy on PSVita? Even it’s possible, there’re like soo little games we get to pirate….. All those AAA titles probably we already owned.
All i know is im ready for the updated emulator for vita tv.
Ps1 with multitap support thanks to vita tv and having up to four controllers connected again thanks to vita tv emulators using the extra power will be a godly emulation machine.
Back ups i dont care so many people now is not worth buying cards so i rather buy cardtridges anyway i would be interested if they patch translations or merge games aka restoring cut content.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but henkaku lets homebrew use the full hardware capabilities of the vita, no?
I’m sure someone will figure out memory trickery to make PSP iso loading a reality again.
I miss playing project diva.
Heh, watch the next kernel exploit be for Patapon 3. Currently free on PS+.
Kernel exploits aren’t for games, that’s what user mode exploits are for. Kernel exploits are like the name suggest flaws found in the kernel, although you typically require a user mode (which usually means game) exploit to run the kernel exploit also. With HENKaku we don’t need that because we already have user mode access.
So then what’s the issue with getting a kernel hack and psp isos if we already have user access? We haven’t found another flaw in the kernel?
because its not easy to find something like that.
Also its stated on almost every article talking about henkaku, so almost all of them lately, that team molecule purposefully made it pretty much as hard as they could to make loading backups possible on henkaku. So I’m pretty sure if team molecule really wanted to they could have it enabled whenever they wanted. Obviously they’re waiting for Sony to make a move and we should all respect that. Patience has gotten us this far its only a matter of time and will at this point.
Yeah? There have been a lot of them found so far, but Sony keep releasing updates to patch them out. Right now there is not a ePSP kernel exploit for 3.60…
PSP iso support would make me switch to HENkaku.
I have no need for homebrews and emulators, just Vita game (that I already buy on cartridge to consume less pace on my memory card) and some PSP games I take pleasure to play again.
So far I bought a second time on the French store games that were available, but that’s not the case for some of them (Disgaea 1, Valkyrie Profile, Jeanne d’Arc), and I need a translation patch for some others (FF Type-0, .hack//LINK).
For the moment, I kept my Vita on 3.56 fw with custom bubbles made on previous fw, but it is annoying that the latest games ask for 3.60 (Odin Sphere) and I can’t play them.
I didn’t know you could run psp backups past fw 3.52 interesting…
i just want to play PS One games on PS tv nuff said
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Well…
-173210 certainly has a pspemu kernel exploit stashed along with their private bubble method. Chances of them giving it out are still highly unlikely. Usually only gives out VHBL releases.
-TheFloW succeeded in running PSP isos through VitaShell on Rejuvenate but mentioned it had bad side effects so it would be better to go the original route. He is also more interested in native stuff than PSP/PS1…
-Yifan Lu mentioned it may be possible to power up ePSP with a native hack (ages ago), but nobody seems interested in that. I’m unsure if we need more access to achieve that atm anyway.
I’m currently sitting tight on a lower FW, I’d rather hope someone ports henkaku to lower FW than wait for past hacks to work again.
– I don’t have a kernel exploit. I was going to make one, but I’m now working on the port of the latest Binutils and GCC for PSP.
– I think it is possible to run retail PSP games with HENkaku. I wonder whether people are so dumb that they don’t notice the fact.
If anything Vita needs piracy now to stay alive. Its dying! Sony has already given up on it so they dont care at all what happens to it. We need piracy for vita to come back to the scene. We have invested our money in Vita and we weren’t delivered what Sony promised so its our turn to make things our way.
The way I look at it, if you own a PSP or many ( I have 3 of them) then PSP ios’s on Vita is not deal breaker if deciding to update to 3.60. I like the current native side of things for Emulators, as it’s a decent system to run them on. Loving the the the Snes Mario Kart and the rest @60fps.
With regards to Vita images (rips) being fully decrypted and playable, then that is not an issue whether it becomes a reality or not. Personally, I don’t care as the current Vita Library is *** and only has a handful of games worth playing and money is not an issue to buy original carts either.
Money is not an issue. LOL, clearly you aren’t living in 2016.
I do recall TheFloW asking for a 3.60 kernel exploit around the time he released his PS1 Loader. No one got back to him. Either there isn’t a found one yet, or there is and no-one’s talking.
Funny really. The Vita’s PSP implementation is now more secure than the actual PSP itself ever was.
But yeah, exploitation of the PSP and PS1 emus (which as we know are tied together) is going to be crucial because for those who value the Vita for those abilities, upgrading to HENkaku isn’t really an option unless you have 2 Vitas.
meh I think it’s more that people stopped caring about a ePSP exploit more than someone doesn’t have one or isn’t talking. I think interest in exploits died off because interest was lost. You can buy an old psp and have the same stuff easier, so people just didn’t care.
I wouldn’t say that’s quite it. PSP exploits are probably getting quite difficult to find now because so many have been found, released to the community and then patched by Sony. Sure you can buy a PSP for that but the idea is to have a console that can cover all the bases – PS1, PSP, Vita and decent emulators.
You have the possibility of creating a devhook like psp in psvita ?
ppsspp is a possibility.
one of the devs responsible for ppsspp is already casually looking into it(although he might not be able to do that much since he doesn’t have a vita)
it does seem the vita has “all the right stuff” to make a ppsspp port doable.
Update: YES! Someone got ark working eith HENkaku
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https://twitter.com/Anvi_Kawaii/status/761155729935986688
Piracy is love piracy is life!
Allows me to modify those awful dubs, i really can’t stand them. it ruins everything for me. I’d like to play my games in it’s original content and not some half *** dubs. Make it happen (Piracy) Someone!
Specially newer psvita games, terrible, terrible dubs with no option for original voice.
I’d love to see the days where we can simply pirate vita undub onto psvita.
Wheres deank when u need him we mutiman on vita make it happen
WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE TO MAKE A TN-V EMULATOR FOR VHBL IF ONE COMES IN THE FUTURE PLZZZ COMMENT ON ONE OF MY PS VITA VIDEOS @ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyD8lBqa3bxnvCBU5hF3-nw
a lot of stupid *** in this comment section. I’m really glad there’s no way to pirate ps vita games using henkaku because otherwise ps vita would die. small publishers like Atlus and NIS would leave the platform and no one would release new games
You’re a ***. Sony has made a great job at killing the ps vita themselves.
Yeah, they have. That doesn’t mean we have to be the final nail in the coffin.
Piracy is what contributed to the death of the Sega Dreamcast.
And Slow loading times and Sony just CRASHING the market with Titles.
I’m really glad there’s no way to pirate ps vita games using henkaku because otherwise ps vita would die. small publishers like Atlus and NIS would leave the platform and no one would release new games
Great Video and great Website. Emus are mostly needed and the psp could do even more then we all would think. Thanks alot for sharing your information.
Really hoping this functionality gets implemented at some point. A lot of people’s PSP backlogs / collections could consist strongly of UMDs / backup ISOs at this point, and that’s pretty rough as far as legacy support on Vita goes. Of course, the PSN title support does help, and would make me want to say ‘just buy the games digital again’, a fair number of PSP titles from the earlier years – even popular ones like Crisis Core! – never made it to PSN.
The absolute main reason I love PSP (AND ONLY PSP) iso support is so I can run my legitimate backups of my games. One game in particular, Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, since SE and Sony is all their gloriousness (/sarcasm) decided NOT to do a digital release, thereby locking it down to ONLY psp (heard a later KH games has it, but that was only for the non portable console). I still have my vita on 3.36 (having issues with Ark-3 not running 🙁 ) for that specific reason. If android emulators were fast enough I would update my vita……as that would ‘fix’ my issue.
As for PS Vita piracy….no, just no, I prefer to buy my games, which sadly consists of SAO: HL, Gravity Rush, Borderlands 2 (from the bundle) and NFS:MW, and that is only because I cant access the vita store without updating 😐
Wishlist:
1) Media player that supports popular formats and not the limited thing that Sony provided
2) Better web browser
3) PSP games support (come on, I want to play damn Prince of Persia which I actually bloody bought, just on a different platform)
4) Well, Vita backups… would be nice
PS
A word on piracy: note that 3DS has been hacked long time ago. Nintendo is still doing pretty well
So ok, PSP won’t run. Yet. What about other emulators? PS1 more specifically? I asusme all the old school ones run just fine (GBA, SNES etc) but how about dear old PS1?
I really hope PSP gets added sooner than later cause the only game I can think of that I would pay out of my *** for is a re-release of Crisis Core. That game made the PSP.