Just my 2 cents: Videogames and Sexism part 3

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  1. W wololo says:

    Please stop it!

    • Anon says:

      Don’t read it – I haven’t and I’m okay. All 3 parts are boring anyway, there’s not even a single b(.)(.)b worth looking at.

      • arthanis says:

        If you troll didn’t read, how do you know it’s boring? =]

      • AliceTheGorgon says:

        And this is why we need actual feminism. So many men continue to only care about women as objects/slaves, instead of as actual people with actual goals and ambitions of their own.

        • dmaskell92 says:

          What do you call a letter from a feminist?

          Hate male.

        • Truth says:

          Oh look! More bigoted double standard nonsense!

          Women sexualize men just as much, in terms of who entertains them. They’ll pick the shallow guy who arouses them over the substanceful nice-match just like men will. Sexual desire is always shallow, and it doesn’t determine who you respect, you ignorant bigot.

          Appreciating someone’s shallow sexual aspects neither enslaves them nor means you don’t appreciate their other aspects, intellectually.

          Most men have female friends they respect just as much as any friend. Not being attracted to someone isn’t failing to “respect” them.

        • AliceTheMoron says:

          It’s cute when the little girl tries to argue against basic biology.

      • Sleetui says:

        13 year olds above be like ^

  2. NeonAera says:

    Interesting read.

  3. MarSprite says:

    Genetics are sexist.

    • Alextwolf says:

      Most likely no one will understand your comment. But it’s actually one of the more intelligent ones. Men don’t choose to look at sexy beautiful women on account of being taught to do so. It is genetically coded in our DNA to look for attractive mates. This is the way human nature ensures healthy children and its part of our survival genetics. Most of what has been said here has validity but none of it honestly matters. Most men do not want the over weight or odd looking girl in the corner. They want a woman who is appealing to be with. I could honestly say more on the subject but I’ll just say this. Blaming media and famous people for what they do is pointless. Only thing that can change a persons perspective on the other gender and what is right or wrong is upbringing….yup, basically your mother and fathers fault if you turn out to be on either extreme for women and men. Only thing that will never change is that being handsome and strong or beautiful and outgoing will always trump being of a higher intellect. Again this is called survival and we’ve been doing this for a very long time.

      • arthanis says:

        I did understand and I agree that this is true.

        But my point is that even if this is true, is it fair to value people and position them in society solely (mostly) for that? Are we animals on driven by sex drive? Are we that shallow as human beings? Those are my poijts.

  4. AliceTheGorgon says:

    Supposedly apologizes for using “feminazi”, doesn’t bother to find a term that isn’t a dismissive slur.
    Says we shouldn’t push for realistically proportioned women because the anti-woman folks will get mad about it.

    Ugh. Let’s not have this kind of op-ed bullshittery anymore, and just stick to the regular news. Please.

    • JennieBo81 says:

      “This does not align with my views, better do cherry picking! He didn’t get my pronouns right!!!”
      In to the trash you go.

      • AliceTheGorgon says:

        Yeah, comparing people to Nazis is *totally* as minor as using a “wrong” pronoun.

        Keep living in dreamland.

      • meanwhile, in reality says:

        Right?

        *Calls all men ‘tyrants’*

        *Takes offense to ‘feminazi’, when she’s fanatically prejudiced against a whole gender*

    • commentor says:

      do you have a better term?

      • AliceTheGorgon says:

        Yeah, it’s called radical feminism. It’s not even that radical either, it’s just not the watered down version which panders to men by saying that it’s fine to subjugate women as long as they say they want it.

          • AliceTheGorgon says:

            Oh no, a random image that has no sources to verify its accuracy (or lack thereof)! Lo, my argument is slain!

        • commentor says:

          “saying that it’s fine to subjugate women as long as they say they want it.”, I’ve yet to see any feminists who say this. I guess radical feminism is comparable but maybe doesn’t fully encapsulate the ideas he presenting, I mean there are different levels and maybe feminazi is what he feels best captures what he wants. Is that all you disagree with though, cause calling this *** is a bit harsh.

          • AliceTheGorgon says:

            >I’ve yet to see any feminists who say this

            Not in those words, sure. But the people who argue for things like legalizing prostitution “because it’s a valid choice”and such, don’t seem to understand how much desperation and societal coercion factor into that “choice”.

            >I guess radical feminism is comparable but maybe doesn’t fully encapsulate the ideas he presenting

            I’ve yet to ever actually see a “feminazi” anywhere. Everything I’ve seen is people massively failing to understand something a radical feminist has said.

        • arthanis says:

          I feel you misses the whole point of these articles, really.

          • AliceTheGorgon says:

            Or they could be wrong.

          • arthanis says:

            I’m not saying they aren’t, I’m just saying that your stance towards other people’s comments and arguments make them look like they are right.

            Also, many times you are making points ignoring what has been said in the comments and in the articles, making discussing with you pointless.

          • AliceTheGorgon says:

            Ignoring, or not believing? Nothing new has been said anywhere in the articles or the comments.

    • Some Idiot says:

      Was that a trigger for you?

    • Truth says:

      That “realistic proportion” horse-*** is an extremely sexist and douchey double standard. It’s also insanely insecure and controlling.

      Characters are all about rare, exciting qualities of all kinds. There’s literally nothing wrong with enjoying rare, exciting proportions on female characters, any more than women enjoy shallow features on male characters. (Magic Mike, Fifty Shades of Grey, romance novels using male characters for pornographic pleasure, etc)

      Neither males nor females pick partners for intellectual reasons, or pursue “average” mates. Both genders are equally shallow and put carnal attraction over intellect in the same way. When there’s a choice, I’ve never known many women to pick the kindhearted intellectual match (the “friend”) over the guy who makes them extremely ***. The genders are equal that way. If you push against curvy females, you must equally ban sexually exciting males. (romance novels, movies like “Fifty Shades”, etc.) If we allow one, we must allow the other.

      Just like men, women go for men who trigger the body’s powerful chemical responses, rather than any logic-based selection criteria. (exactly the way male chemistry responds to female proportions.)

      These aren’t “standards” that people have been “influenced” to seek. It’s not a logic-based decision that can be influenced. (for either gender) From the moment you see them, those traits triggers arousal, without any outside persuasion. The body simply responds to reproductively powerful traits. Characters (male and female) don’t have to be physically average just because selfish average people feel insecure about that.

      Also, just because YOU can’t obtain a certain body type doesn’t mean it’s “unrealistic”, or people aren’t allowed to desire it. That’s extremely deluded and controlling. MK3 actresses got in the game somehow. They aren’t “non-existent” just because you don’t look like them. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with preferring that physical type, as game characters or otherwise. Games including average women can and do exist, for those who enjoy that. Those who don’t shouldn’t be forced to.

      You can’t command women to be attracted to the obsessed friend over the hot guy. You don’t have to “desire” a friend just because they match your philosophies. (also applies to males with admirers) Likewise, you can’t command men to desire shapeless geniuses over curvy, chemically attractive women.. Telling people who they can enjoy is controlling, insecure and douchey.

      • AliceTheGorgon says:

        Lolz. Yeah, keep pushing for games to stay as nothing more than interactive softcore ***.

        And people wonder why gamers aren’t terribly well liked.

        • Truth says:

          Conspiracy theories now?

          You are such a selfish, bigoted d,ouchebag. It’s like feminists have a selfish dream where unattractive women can get whatever mate they want based off mental abilities.

          No one “chooses” that way. Both genders simply pursue what their body reacts to. (DNA, evolution) That won’t change, because that euphoria is what motivates mating. Without it, it’s just a chore. Dating someone without it feels disgusting.

          And naturally, people enjoy that “shallow chemistry” in their entertainment products too. Women enjoy it in romance novels, movies, etc. The male characters are designed for shallow arousal. Never the super-accommodating, intelligent, like-minded friend. Games do the same thing sometimes, and have just as much right to. Genders are equally shallow, we just have different shallow stimulus. Male chemistry is generally extremely visual. The need to actually see it.

          Being smart and similar can’t force a woman to want you. Or a man, either. Not everything is a mind/personality contest. You can’t change chemistry with philosophy. Real equality understands that.

          It’s not conspiracy. Men don’t follow fashion for who to pursue, or even care about it. People pursue what arouses their body. Men are people, you thick-headed hate monger.

          If sexist fems keep man-hating, men should suddenly flock to romance novels and start pushing for less arousing characters.

        • Truth says:

          Surprise! Your hate-mongering generalizations are wrong on every level, once again.

          Gamers are growing more abundant in every age and gender. I’ve never heard of any consensus that they are disliked. Commonly, gamers are healthy, well balanced individuals surrounded by friends in lucrative jobs. If anything, they’re becoming more accepted than ever.

          To your 2nd sweeping generalization, games are much more than the attractive characters. An abundance of games don’t even have humanoid characters. The ones who do aren’t always attractive. Even when they are, the games are chock full of other aspects like deep fight mechanics and skill trees.

          Most importantly, the games that have erotic female characters have as Much right to as female romance novels.

          Both genders focus on the shallow arousing aspects of each other. Enjoying that one shallow aspect hormonally doesn’t mean you don’t appreciate other aspects intellectually.

          Shallow arousal enjoyment for all, ornone!! Equality!!

          🙂

  5. ketchum says:

    Feminism isnt about equal rights though lol. Any feminist will tell u that, there will never be such a thing as equal rights as long as theres so many genders and races. The movement of feminism acknowledges that and wants to be the gender on top, not equal. People who want equal rights aren’t feminists….

    • AliceTheGorgon says:

      Yep, and those Jews are totally trying to take over the world too.

      /s

      • Truth says:

        Nice straw man argument. Actually, his first and last sentence are very correct.

        It’s amazing what you pull from your butt to support your bigoted gender hate.

        I like women as people. I respect them exactly as much as men and hold them to the same standards. And defend them as much against the same inequalities. Equality has no room for gender lines.

        Feminism separates people into 2 lines instead of seeing everyone as the same, and fighting for EVERYONE’s equality. That is literally the opposite of equality. By design, that cannot be resolved into equality. It’s as bigoted as Westborough.

        If you want equality, be an equalist. If you don’t, you’re a hateful bigot and can’t be taken seriously.

        Both genders are the same species and deserve *undivided* equality.

        • AliceTheGorgon says:

          “I like women as much as men, but they need to stop disagreeing with me, because I know better than them.”

          • meanwhile, in reality says:

            More strawman ***? Haha

            “Durr. I’m gonna insult people and put words in their mouth simply for their gender. I’ll use Nasi-like prejudice, but don’t dare compare me to one!”

            I didn’t say people can’t disagree. I said disagreeing and drawing lines [because of gender] is itself sexism and hypocrisy. If the goal was truly equality, you’d respect everyone equally regardless of gender. You clearly don’t, with the way you attack men enjoying attractive characters. People male and female consume media this way.

            You’re basically admitting you want to argue [because of] gender, now. At that point, you really can’t deny you’re condoning Nazi-like “master gender” ***. You are literally a female Al Bundy.

            You apparently don’t agree that both genders are equal, and deserve to be held to the same standards. (which is all I said)

            Therefore, you basically just admitted you simply want to disagree [because of] gender. How is that not just as prejudiced as a Nasi?

            Insulting an entire gender’s arousal mechanic. Calling erotic enjoyment of the opposite sex “objectification”, even though women do the same.

            You are literally insulting people for enjoying something your own gender enjoys, just because they’re male.

            Then you ignorantly claim enjoying a woman’s shallow features

            It seems like you can only do 2 things, and both are extremely biggoted.

            When you can make points using equal standards, instead of insultingly prejudiced double standards, THEN come talk.

          • meanwhile, in reality says:

            Disagreeing with you isn’t disagreeing with “women”.

            It’s disagreeing with bigots.

            You don’t speak for all women.

            You certainly don’t speak for women who believe in actual equality.

            I’m sure you do speak for a subsection of bigots, but I’m proud to disagree with those.

  6. L says:

    Too much reality?

    As many of the feminists tend to place everything in their favor as feminism, and everything against as an attack to their being as a free individual. Taking more and more away from the male, nestling between everything competitive just so to be heard.

    Allow me to explain:
    Little children (0-12) do not know who they are until they graduate from the elementary school. This period is the base for their being thus they’re being exposed to learn it’s ok the seek status, slowly being turned into consumers (latest smartphone etc.), bullying, judging based on wealth, unknowingly devaluing life by taking on pre set values, which have been made by someone..
    .
    The overall moral have decreased, the new generation of teachers do not know what type of value to teach which they have never been thought in the first place.

    Also women are slowly ‘sissyfying’ men and will continue to do so (also under the name of feminism [secret agenda]).
    female elementary teachers are there to teach them habits which will further them away from they’re core, thus eventually creating a new breed of men which has already started.
    The elementary school is full of female teachers, if you truly think about it, it’s not macho to be a male teacher ‘around childeren’, ‘you might even be a phedophile’, (would you leave your child in the hands of a man or rather a women?) and so male teachers tend to stay away, leaving the most important learning curve to the other gender. Thus the stigma has been created that women should teach, i’ll leave the rest up to you for the topic’s sake.

    Feminism takes the form of power when it (any topic) benefits the women, when its vice-versa it’s suddenly called women hate or intolerance.
    Though when most of the community disapprove the idea () it becomes less of an issue, peek and poke.

    Yes, this story has gone astray for some sort, though
    my say would be: get to the root of the problem which in my opinion are the teaching methods.

    And yes, True feminism suffer from those who follow the evil path, that’s life Although I use the word feminism quite easily, the movement has been corrupted already which is a peek of the true nature when full.
    To see what kind of impact the movement will have on the world, will be an interesting watch.

    • AliceTheGorgon says:

      >Also women are slowly ‘sissyfying’ men and will continue to do so (also under the name of feminism [secret agenda]).

      Just wanted to highlight that part there. Anyone who believes that kind of nonsense is in desperate need of meds.

  7. Ricky D says:

    Thanks for your 2 cents. Here’s a nickel back.

    Seriously just stop with the social crusades

    • fatman01923 says:

      Exactly, men in this current generation can be such wimps.

    • arthanis says:

      This is not a “social crusade”. I’m just pointing arguments to defend gaming itself, not any specific group.

  8. Asurey says:

    Very good read indeed. I was beginning to realize some of this stuff by myself.

  9. DarkPikachu says:

    Seriously wololo, stop this ***. In the long run, people have their own opinions on certain matters and I think this matter is one that shouldn’t be as expressed as much. Years ago, this may have been more viable and understandable since many people thought that ‘Men’ were the dominance of video games. But as of 2015, this has vastly changed now as both genders have their fair share on gaming life now. I’m currently on a games/software development course and I see plenty of women doing the course because they chose to do it. And personally, I’m quite proud of that.

  10. wonre says:

    I agree with the conclusion of this article.

    I might add that this remedy should be extended also to other populations currently (self-)excluded from IT careers (because of racial prejudice for example).

  11. Robert says:

    I appreciate your disclaimer regarding gamergate.

  12. Poo Poo Doo Doo says:

    First!!! Also new website sucks!

  13. DarkPikachu says:

    Wow, that’s just pathetic to delete my appropriate comment.

    • AliceTheGorgon says:

      Sometimes comments just get caught in the spam filter, and it takes a while for an admin to notice. Chill out.

  14. Tridawnlus says:

    Umm… yea, let’s just stick to news our games.
    People have there opinions, some will agree with them some won’t.
    Games have been designed for a major of male players, it’s been like that, but now they are designed for all players (to a certain extent).
    Are there hot girls in games? Yes. Are there hot guys in games? Yes. Who cares.
    Play the games you want or don’t. It really shouldn’t be more than that.

  15. hypergreatthing says:

    so… even though you’ve noticed that men judge women based on looks, how come you haven’t come to the realization that women judge other women based on looks as well? It’s the way the world works.
    Also the lack of women in stems is interesting. Most people will leave out the data from before 1990s because back in the 70s when the computer field was in it’s infancy, there were more women graduates in computer science than men. So why have women been less interested in the computer field? I’m going out on a limb here, but i’m guessing that societal pressures have probably made it harder for smart/nerdy girls to be accepted. Where do the pressures come from? From the women side of the equation. The focus lately has been on why evil men don’t want women in the IT field (honestly, i like your typo, there needs to be more women on TI). But the real focus should be on why women discourage other women to excel in those “nerdy” fields.

    Also the second to last picture where it says “women’s studies” is a dude. I know it’s a popular meme but still….

    • AliceTheGorgon says:

      >women judge other women based on looks as well

      Nope. Go out and meet some women who aren’t stereotypes.

      >Where do the pressures come from? From the women side of the equation.

      Yeah, all those women telling other women that they’re dumb. That totally happens and isn’t a figment of your imagination.

      >The focus lately has been on why evil men don’t want women in the IT field

      Nope. It’s about dudes who, like you, blame every problem on women, even though men are the ones running things, and have generally been the ones running things for millennial.

      • Alextwolf says:

        Not for nothing but either you haven’t reached your 30’s or you live by yourself. Then again women believe they no longer need men so who knows what’s going on in that head of yours. How about this. Live and let live. Stop making excuses and answering every post you don’t agree with simply because it’s not your personal opinion. I tried ignoring your comments but holy ***! Can you let one persons point of view be read without you piggy backing!? You want equality? Stop b***hing so much and people may listen

        • AliceTheGorgon says:

          >Can you let one persons point of view be read without you piggy backing!?

          “You’re not allowed to reply to anyone’s comments.”

          >You want equality? Stop b***hing so much

          “Stop pointing out problems in the world, it’s annoying to people who don’t have those problems.”

          Also, being equal with tyrants is not the goal.

          • Truth says:

            Calling an entire gender “tyrants” is an extremely sexist and bigoted double standard.

            When you stereotype the entire male gender, you can’t attack the reverse, since you’re being equally sexist. Feminism draws gender battle lines, rather than defending EVERYONE’s equality. (A.K.A. actual equality) “Radical feminists” are sexist, self-serving hypocrites. If a standard isn’t defended equally for everyone, it’s not equality. It’s worthless, bigoted garbage.
            You want to control what men are “allowed” to be attracted to, and enjoy as characters? Should men control what women are “allowed” to be attracted to, or enjoy as characters? (movies/novels/games) Otherwise, you lose all credibility. (Enormous hypocritical bigotry.)

            That kind of deluded, self-serving double standard is the very definition of scumbag sexism.

            People certainly have a right to make or enjoy video games centered around averagely proportioned characters. (for people who enjoy that) People have an equal right to make games with “unrealistically proportioned” characters. (for people who enjoy THAT) You must respect other people’s preferences if you want the same.

            Not everyone’s as attractive as movie/game/novel characters. Boo-hoo. You aren’t entitled to attract everyone. Applies to males and females.
            You can’t preach equality unless you actually follow it, and defend all genders equally in everything. (The same applies to orientations.)

            True equality respects people equally, regardless of gender. The same pay-rate for the same amount of work. The same standards FOR that work. (no lowering the physical requirements, etc.) The same freedom to enjoy shallow attraction to any (legal) type of person, in real life or entertainment. We are the same species, with the same inherent qualities. Enforce the same standards equally across genders, or stop posturing.

          • AliceTheGorgon says:

            >Calling an entire gender “tyrants” is an extremely sexist and bigoted double standard.

            Men as a class have, and exert, power over women as a class. Even in this very comment section, women are expected to shut up and let men do whatever they want.

            >Feminism draws gender battle lines, rather than defending EVERYONE’s equality.

            No. Feminism is about freeing women from their centuries long oppression throughout the world. If men’s feelings get hurt, tough beans.

            >You want to control what men are “allowed” to be attracted to, and enjoy as characters?

            This is not what I said, and you’d know that if you bothered to actually read what I wrote instead of what you imagine I wrote.
            The issue is that what men want (e.g. ridiculously sexified women in games) is assumed to be more important than what women want (e.g. relatively reasonable portrayals of women).

            >You must respect other people’s preferences if you want the same.

            Except, as mentioned above, women already *don’t* get that respect (for the most part), so no respect is deserved by the people who are whining about it.

            >You aren’t entitled to attract everyone

            And now you’re straw-manning my position *again* by making it about my own personal attractiveness. What the *** even.

            >Enforce the same standards equally across genders, or stop posturing.

            Right, equal standards like “women need to stop complaining that the male dominated industry and culture of video games views their opinions as being inferior and not worth considering”.

          • meanwhile, in reality says:

            LAWWWWL. Literally none of what you wrote is accurate.

            It’s like you’re completely incapable of making an accurate point, or saying anything besides twisted sexist gibberish.

            Men aren’t some stereotypical “class” and most I’ve met seem to [adamantly endorse] equal gender pay/rights/etc. The few who don’t are generally ostracized as d-bags for it, or they’re some kind of backward bumpkin. Women can be every bit as powerful as men today, sometimes moreso. There are female CEOs and politicians with vastly more power than most men. There are women in sports who can trounce most men. That’s hardly surprising since we’re the same species with the same abilities and ambitions. I think most people realize that women/men are physically and mentally equal. I think they generally fight any gender inequality. (Including bigots like you.)

            No one expects “women” to shut up and let “men” do whatever they went. People expect SEXISTS to shut up and let EVERYONE do what they want. (Concerting who arouses them, creativity and character design.)

            I respect women enough to let them have whatever kind of sexy character arouses them, in games/movies/novels, etc. I understand that it’s not my business to choose for them or control their preferences or media. I expect the same in return.

            And yes, feminism draws gender battle lines, rather than defending everyone’s equality. If it were about equality, it would fight equally for everyone’s. Otherwise, it’s just swinging the bigotry pendulum.

            And yes, you clearly want to control what men are “allowed” to be attracted to and what we’re “allowed” to enjoy as characters. That’s very clearly what you are still advocating.

            The “assumption” isn’t that what one gender wants is “more important”. It’s that both should be respected equally and allowed to exist. Characters with “relatively reasonable” (opinion) proportions should be allowed to exist for those who like that. So should the “ridiculously sexified” (opinion) proportions that some enjoy and appreciate in real life. Not to mention that “ridiculously sexified” women exist in real life and have every right to exist in games, too.

            If what you want is to take my choice off the table, THAT’s thinking your preferences are more important than mine. Equality is catering to both gender’s tastes. In fact, I think women who want super-sexualised male characters have the right to that too. Large dongs, male nudity, and/or whatever male features women may design/enjoy. It should be free to enjoy. It doesn’t belittle either gender or make you stop appreciating their other facets.

            And I stand adamantly by equal standards. I think I’ve shown pretty exact equality. No one thinks women’s opinions are inferior. One gender’s preferences has no right to pull the other’s off the table, though. That’s literally the same as pulling super sexified male characters from women’s novels, because most men aren’t that attractive.

            Women are suddenly flocking to gaming, and that’s wonderful. I’m happy for the human race about that. More games will cater to women now, and that’s excellent. However you can’t come in and make gaming ONLY for women’s tastes. That’s extremely selfish and sexist. We’re happy to have our female equals join us as friends in game, and there’s enough space here for everyone’s preferences.

      • arthanis says:

        I think you don’t get it that the problem isn’t men or women. Its all a part of a deeper context, and your generalizing stance and anger towards women (and vice versa) is a big part of the problem. Re-read parts 1, 2 and 3 to better understand my point.

      • Hypergreatthing says:

        I have met many other women. I’m not a kid. Women in general gossip a lot more than men and they rip on other women’s looks something awful. Why do you think there’s such a big industry based on beauty for women? Purses, shoes, makeup, hair styles, clothes, ect. Some men might care how they look, but in general a lot of us don’t really give a flying ***. As long as it’s comfortable that’s good enough. Women who think like that are a rarity and they’re given names like tom boy.
        Actually many women are turned off from computer science because it’s a nerd hobby. They go into nursing and teaching and other women majority led careers instead.
        Honestly who cares about women in comp sci/IT? How about women miners and garbage men and all the other male dominated professions? The focus on a single male dominated profession that has decent pay is unhealthy.
        I don’t blame any problem on women or men. Gender doesn’t really matter when it comes to this type of issue, if it really is one. I don’t believe in the patriarchy that you’re espousing. People are humans, they’re greedy and selfish. In today’s society women have it much better than they have ever had it, and in some places like the US they have better rights than men. The feminazis come along and try and push for more ***. They’re the real sexists that exist today.

        • AliceTheGorgon says:

          >Why do you think there’s such a big industry based on beauty for women?

          Because men want women to look a certain way, and over thousands of years society has internalized those so much that most people don’t even recognize it.

          >a lot of us don’t really give a flying ***.

          Great, no one said that literally all men were exactly the same.

          >They go into nursing and teaching and other women majority led careers instead.

          And you don’t see a problem with certain careers being unspokenly segregated like that?

          >The focus on a single male dominated profession that has decent pay is unhealthy.

          A single one? Try pretty much all of them.

          >and in some places like the US they have better rights than men.

          Hahahahahahahahaha!

          Call me when women aren’t having men in power still trying to force them to host an unwanted parasitic growth in their womb.
          Call me when women aren’t daily looked down upon for not wanting to have sex with men.
          Call me when we don’t have men (“transwomen”) trying to redefine the concept of women so that women don’t have any private spaces anymore.
          The list could go on a lot further too.

    • arthanis says:

      Well, it seems to me you skipped part 2. Give it a read 😉

      Also, as you pointed out yourself, it is a meme.

  16. Goyscript wpa says:

    practice boxing with my wife

  17. Stanislav says:

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    • DarkPikachu says:

      Take yourself elsewhere. We don’t care about pirating games and we sure as heck wouldn’t divulge it to you.

  18. yupnopewhy says:

    When it comes to feminism, the only thing they can really fight is women themselves. Women objectify themselves more than men do and its a fact. If you don’t want to be objectified? Then don’t be. DONE.

    Next: Women in video games are no different from men. I say this because, every character they mention, be it Samus, or people from DoA as great example, have that look. Show their teets and bottocks and there you go. People act like thats a big deal, but thats EXACTLY what they do to the male characters, you see.

    If women are truly being objectified then its because they objectify themselves as men have. Especially in video games.

    “All women in video games are loved for the sexuality and beauty” of course means their face, butt and teets and even personality.

    OH BUT THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO MEN.

    Yup thats right because we all have abs, the voice of a god and such inhuman strength and accomplishments, murica.

    *Insert overweight man riding on a scooter here*

    YUP TOTALLY NOT THE SAME.

    Idiotic feminists and sexists are much like the racists of today. Try to sell a black man a white car and you’re racist. Say you like teets, you’re sexist.

    THANK GOD I’M *** XD

  19. Oumoumad says:

    I agree with your conclusion.
    Instead of creating battles against genders we should try to find solutions for the society as a whole.
    And in my opinion, submitting to the capitalist idea “sex and attractiveness sells” by allowing the use of women body for marketing and giving more opportunities and fame to women based on their look, will only keep this war going.
    The only way to stop this :
    – We can’t make all companies stop using women’s body to sell their products.
    – But we can educate the woman from her childhood that character and intellect are the main factors she must focus on to benefit herself and society, not her look.
    It’s an on going circle, because one of the main things that convince girls that their look and attractiveness is number 1 priority is the kind of cartoons and shows we have for kids nowadays.

  20. SallyMcNALL says:

    Its funny how in the first two photos you posted it clearly shows the truth. One gamer girl whos real which is on the left vs the fantasy model gamer girl on the right whos always depending on donations from live streams be it ustream twitch or any other cam sight which lets you see them more than half of the time pretending to play games(we know its the boyfriend playing)and making whoever on the steam feel special.

  21. NOscript says:

    The first 2 photos clearly show the truth on female gamers. The one on the left is real while the other on the right is a fantasy version which can be found on twitch and ustream waiting for your donations and pretending to play videogames (we know its the boyfriend playing the game and telling you what to say on the headset) honestly its sad but this is life and there’s a market for everything to try and lure people.

  22. Stanislav says:

    DarkPikachu,Why:(:(:(?

  23. Bianca says:

    Well, I like and dislike the posts. I like them because of the discussion and for the main line of thought, which means “let’s respect gamers, being men or women, and give them more space”. I dislike them because you didn’t have enough knowledge about some things related to feminism prior the writing of the texts but that’s ok, we should never wait to have full knowledge to make our voices heard (in special because we never have full knowledge).

    I think the biggest problem happens when we start to use the word “feminism”, all attentions goes to the word and the war starts. People can buy the idea of equality at different levels but when you use the word feminism things go crazy. The first problem is the word itself, a word finished in “ism”. All isms have been generating wars after wars, and none of them caused any kind of peaceful agreement as it would be expected (e.g. see all “peaceful” religions that have always “ism” at the end and generated wars all over the world for centuries). Another problem is that there is no single definition of what feminism is, even among the organised feminist groups. Everybody kind of agree that is the “movement to fight for equality for women” but, what does equality mean? If I need to split $1000 among 2 people being one a completely poor person and the other a millionaire, what would be “equality”? Should we give $500 for each or we should give $1000 for the poor and nothing for the already rich?
    We have learned that equality means division in equal parts, but in a complex environment equality may include an incredible number of variables that we cannot detect with a simplistic view. When the parents have a baby, why the woman should have months of time off and the father just few days? Is it fair? The mom needs time to recover her own body, but is not the father a parent as much as the mom? Should not the “time off” be focused in nurturing the baby?
    We are old and become older and older. The solution for any revolution is never with the old ones, the youngest ones are the ones who will decide how things will be, we just need that the old ones “get the idea” and open the path for the new to come. As someone said, the teachers could have a fundamental role on any social change. The unique problem, in my case, is that I don’t believe in the educational system and I don’t expect any teacher to do a miracle.

    Well, I hope it was enough change for your two cents =)

  24. Dockotis says:

    That moment when ***… Most men are sexist towards women, most women are sexist towards men, and most martians don’t know why they are both idiots and can’t get along… Genetics is the prime difference, which also dictates hormones produced, whether you have a *** or *** (maybe even both), etc…
    So…
    We have Racism (I’m against), Sexism (I’m against), and what else?
    People judge others for stupid reasons. Different religion, different sexual preference, etc… It’s sad. It also goes back to imposing our will on others during our ancestors time (now we just call it war… war on racism, war on religion, etc…).

    Humans are idiots, and unless it affects them in some way (including through someone they know, personally, or just running them the wrong way) they won’t fight for, or against, something…

    I for one can wait until the age of humans comes to an end if people will continue being Dumbasses and not treating others equally.

    … I’m bored now… I think I’ll just play some Sonic the hedgehog and say screw these agreements that ALWAYS less to a stalemate of bull ***…

  25. witzberger says:

    So… How About Rejvenate?

    • first says:

      I think that Yifan Lu is sissyfyed by a few womens.
      just take a look at this articles. What now?? Sports articles?? men playing with woman an American Football/Soccer match?

  26. Arc Futahito says:

    I don’t get this “objectification” talk. Why sexual attractiveness of a female (or male, for that matter) character is bad? Character can still be good and complex even looking generally good. Furthermore, vetoing good looks of characters in video games is just plain wrong. If it’s sex appeal, then it’s a game with male gamers targeted, and what’s wrong with targeting a certain demographic?

  27. ThatGuyOverThere says:

    lmao. Can we please stop blaming men for everything?

    Firstly, whenever there is an issue on this planet (no matter what it is) its typically been perpetuated by members of both genders… no one person has caused the issue entirely on their own. So lets keep that in mind first.

    Second, being a guy myself, I can say that yes, I’ve seen men (but women as well!) judge other women on their looks.

    And to whoever said that women don’t judge men based on their looks – you’re actually absolutely right. For the most part, women don’t /tend/ to judge men based on their looks. Instead, they judge them based on even more superficial traits – social status and wealth! You can be the most attractive guy on the planet, but most of the time, without social status… you’ll be overlooked by females (Think about the “hot” cheerleader in high school with the “ugly” school football quarterback… it should make sense to you now). I personally would rather be judged based on looks – at least that’s something that is actually /part/ of the individual.

    Here’s the thing tho — I’m not sure about any other guys around here, but I’d *love* to see more girls in fields like computer science. I used to be a CS major before I switched, there weren’t any females in sight. Well actually there were, but “attractive” girls in those classes that didn’t actually know anything about the subject and were just there because somehow they heard the idea that CS was going to be the easiest major. I didn’t go after any of them tho, even tho they were attractive, because we had nothing in common. See? Men aren’t so shallow after all 😛

    AND HERE’S THE PLOT TWIST:

    Back in high school there was this girl who was into what many people would classify as “nerdy” activities (part of a ‘math’ club, chess club… etc etc). She was actually pretty cute too. But she couldn’t fit into any female social circles in school. Why? Because all the girls classified her as a “nerd”. Her sole purpose in life wasn’t based on the latest fashion trends, and therefore, she was considered a “nerd” by her female classmates. As you can see, the “nerd” stigma that is placed on women is actually significantly fueled by other females as well! who would have guessed?!?!?

    So anyway, stop finger pointing at each other. This thread is similar to those threads where people complain about all the filthy “pirates” in the homebrew scene that pirate games, but have pirated or likely /will/ pirate something in the future themselves xD Hypocrisy at its finest.

  28. stevealexanderames says:

    i think this whole article is a bit of a mess, quite frankly…

    first thing: the word “feminazi” is not the best. do you think asking for equal rights and visibility with energy equals asking for genocide? it’s incredibly disrespectful

    second: TBBT is a *** of a show, if you ask me. it’s completely based on stereotypes and bad, BAD jokes that actually has nothing to do with women or with geeks but only with the way “average television viewers” see women and geeks, and that’ why it’s simply terrible

    third: kim kardashian has no talent, no skills whatsoever, this might be true. the problem is that she’s considered a bad role model because first of all she’s a woman: just think about donald trump, he’s a complete tool whose hobbies include banging models and bankrupting on other people’s money, not to mention he’s a self absorbed d-list celebrity and a terrible person in general, and yet he might be the next USA president

    fourth: about body empowerment, you have to consider that still in the whole world a woman is not free to decide how much of her body she can expose without having troubles. here in italy every single summer there’s some priest that literally drags some woman out of a church because she had her shoulders exposed and this is not acceptable not even if there’s 40°C in the building while a man could go in with no shirt and not face a single trouble; in america that’s the same in many schools where dress codes are mandatory only for female students; in middle eastern (i think it was iran, not sure) the government literally handed out flyers for women warning them to dress properly (covered, basically) to avoid being raped

    great changes in society don’t happen asking quietly for a better treatment, and you can’t blame a whole social category because of stereotypes that was not created by the category itself in the first place.

    you think men and women are really on the same side? just browse any gaming community looking for threads about sexism, and you’ll see that games are the way they are because the gaming industry is well aware that a good 85% percent of male gamers are not interested in having more realistic women characters in videogames

    • Arc Futahito says:

      Some of your points are great and some are total bs. Well, first of all, I’m all for gender equality (not exclusively men or women empowerment) your “she’s considered a bad role model because first of all she’s a woman” is just kind of… emmm… let’s say, I wouldn’t think that I’d hear that statement from a sane person.
      ” just think about donald trump” Nobody likes Donald Trump, it doesn’t matter which gender he is, he’s just a bad person. Just like Kim Kardashian.
      ” just browse any gaming community looking for threads about sexism” Just browse any community and you will find all kinds of perversions and terrible things. It’s how you say “bad gamers” instead of “bad people” what makes it a fallacy.
      And, at last, let’s talk about “realistic women characters”. I’m not sure if you have a creative work or a creative person, so I’ll try to operate on simple concepts:There is a place for everything. If it’s realistic, sure, keep proportions realistic. If it’s stylization, and in most cases it is, there is a certain degree of creative freedom in proportions. Sexuality in vg isn’t “objectifying” (oh, god, what a dumb word). You can’t ban big *** just because you want to (and, frankly, even after DOA *** exposure I still prefer girls with medium to small sizes).

    • AliceTheGorgon says:

      A lot of excellent points. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

  29. Frank west says:

    Funny that this site should slowly turn into kotaku but with news that actually affects people that have games as a hobby rather than “gamers”. Too bad they don’t get the kickback money kotaku gets from gawker.