Nintendo 3DS hack: Gateway team intentionally bricks users’ 3DS, blames competitors for their “shady” practice
If you own a 3DS you might have heard of the “Gateway 3DS” card. It is basically a flashcart for the Nintendo 3DS that will let people run roms (read: pirated 3DS games). That device was recently in the middle of a storm for embedding code that intentionally bricks some users 3DS, if used on competitors’ hardware.
As I’ve confirmed before, the business of hardware hacks enabling piracy is a very juicy market. At an average price of $80 for the Gateway 3DS, even if only 1% of 3DS owners are tempted to buy such a device, we are looking today at a business of about 30 million dollars.
With very limited development costs (the group of hackers who found the vulnerabilities used for these flashcarts are either dramatically underpaid based on the numbers I know, OR are the same people driving the whole thing in the first place), extremely low manufacturing costs, an affiliate mechanism that replaces the need for all form of marketing, and a main website built within a few hours, we are looking at an extremely high margin here. I’m guessing more than 50%, but even if we reduce it to 10%, the people behind the Gateway 3DS are looking at a minimum of 3 million dollars in pure benefit. Again, that’s assuming only 1% of 3DS owners are willing to pirate, and the Gateway 3DS team makes only 10% margin on their product. I believe both these numbers to be majorly underestimated.
The numbers don’t have to be precise, only the scale matters: we are talking of millions of dollars of benefit, so it is understandable the people behind the Gateway 3DS are trying to protect their business.
Companies that create devices such openly designed to enable piracy and copyright infringement are, of course, not legit. Unlike any normal company, you will not easily find who is the owner of gateway-3ds.com (it’s a site hosted in Malaysia and registered by someone in Australia that was created only a few months ago and registered for no longer than 1 year… you get the picture) or who are the developers behind the software/hardware being used. It is the first time I see a company to be producing “high quality” products trying to be as hard as they can to be actually found. As often in that case, you can of course try to follow the money and see where it goes.
Someone with enough contacts could probably grease a few paws among the resellers, check the “support forums” and see how well they know the Gateway team, etc… In particular, maxconsole is known to be owned by a shady hardware company, allegedly the same people behind the true blue dongle on the PS3 (the rumors say they went rogue in the 2000s after being sued several times, in particular by Nintendo).
Ok, these people are a shady business making a huge pile of money through piracy and don’t want you to find them, nothing new here. But where am I going with this?
With the amount of money involved, it is not surprising that other groups of people would try to get their share of the cake. In the case of hardware mods, it typically means clones surface on the market within weeks or months. This happens either because the contracted Chinese manufacturer will resell the blueprints – that’s what you get for cutting costs everywhere to make more profit – or because other groups will reverse engineer the hardware and the code. See my article Clone Wars on the same subject.
When hardware manufacturers are being copied, they have several solutions: innovate fast enough that competitors can only follow, be of higher quality in general, or use the patent system to sue unfair competitors. Although I personally do not like Apple products, Apple is the company that strikes me the most as a perfect example of that, using a right balance of innovation, quality, and legal action to guarantee their market doesn’t get cannibalized by clones.
The people behind Gateway 3DS of course do not have any legal option, it is in their interest of staying in the shades, and given how highly illegal their business is, they would be in huge trouble. They are trying to innovate on the software end, but that would be costly for them, and what they provide in their updates, from what I can see, is quite limited. It is also copied almost instantly by clones. Finally, increasing quality of the hardware is probably not on their menu: these people are probably not ready to sacrifice their margin in order to provide visible hardware differences. In case you don’t get my last point here: from a hardware point of view, despite what these people claim, all these flashcarts are pieces of plastic *** built in China at minimal cost.
It’s been now proven beyond any reasonable doubt by several known hackers (including our very own mathieulh) and half-admitted by the Gateway 3DS team, that they planted code in their flashcart that can permanently damage the 3DS. The code is made in a way that if it detects it is being run by a clone instead of the “original” Gateway 3DS, there is a random chance it will wipe out some essential information on the 3DS’s memory, bricking the device beyond repair.
Ok, I just had the time to look at GW Launcher.dat (yeah I am a little late) and the brick routine is definitely intentional.
— Mathieu Hervais (@Mathieulh) January 14, 2014
To add insult to the injury, they claim the entire blame should be taken by their competitors for copying their stuff. I especially enjoy the irony of this post that can be found on their website:
On a side note, there has been a clone announced under various different brand names.
We want to advise people interested in this product that it is a simple clone based on our 1.0 firmware (with all its limitations), with cheap Chinese design and components. It will inevitably fail and brick over time with or without updates as it is using our software which was not designed for their hardware.
By purchasing this device, you face the certainty of an unsupported and dead product before long. Please keep in mind the short life span of such products before going through a purchase, you might end up thinking you have been scammed.
We provide support and innovative features unprecedented by any other team before, and we will continue doing so with firmware updates that everyone can enjoy.
If you’ve read the entire article so far, you’ll understand that most of the claims above are highly funny. I can pretty much guarantee the “Gateway 3DS” team won’t be around much longer than their competitors and clones. They are in the hardware business, and supporting firmware updates for their flashcarts will be good enough only as long as they still sell them. Once they have a good established user base and the market starts to saturate (or the hacks get patched by Nintendo, either through hardware or software means), they’ll disappear until they can come up with a new way to sell you stuff. Trust me, the support and “dead product” problem will happen to them as fast as it does to their clones. Guaranteed and confirmed by my experience of more than 8 years on the console hacking scene now. I won’t even mention the “cheap Chinese design and components” part, as if the Gateway 3DS was manufactured with high quality products. That would be a first in dozens of years of console hacking.
What do I conclude from all of this?
If you pay for piracy, you are not only dumb, you are also giving away your money to fundamentally bad people. It does not matter if you go with Gateway 3DS or with their clones, they are all doing something highly illegal in the first place, but that’s not the only problem: they are all willing to put you at risk to secure their own profit and margin. Maybe the people behind Gateway 3DS put in hundreds of hours of work on their hacks and you feel they deserve your money more than the clones, it does not matter: these people are ready to put your console at risk just to undermine their competition. For all you know, their bricking code could have a bug and impact not only their competitors, but some of their users too. Even if there is no bug in there, the mere fact that these people have spent time trying to make the experience worse for some of their competitors’ users instead of making things better for their own customers is bad enough. There are limits to how far one should try to protect their business, even if that business is shady in the first place.
As a result of their behavior, Gateway 3DS are hurting not only their competitors, but their entire business, contributing to the general idea that piracy is dangerous and can damage your console. I just can’t begin to understand why anyone would want to give their hard earned money to people like that.
If you decide to still use a flashcart in your 3DS, it does not matter how much you pay for it, these people are still making a profit, not for their hard work, but on the back of video game developers. I don’t judge piracy and have always said it’s between you and your conscience: these flashcarts wouldn’t be created if there wasn’t a market for them, so I am not pretending you shouldn’t buy them. But since they are all the same poor quality products with high benefit margin, you might as well go with the cheapest one. None of the “quality” and “support” claims from the Gateway 3Ds will hold water whenever Nintendo patches newer games in a way that will block them.
What I’m saying is: since you are giving your hard earned cash to a group of crooks, you might as well minimize the amount. The people behind Gateway 3DS will do fine even if they only get 1 million dollars of benefit instead of 3, trust me.
At the end of the day, running unsigned code on your device has risks. Don’t jump the gun, and make sure trusted people always confirm a given piece of software works fine with whatever hardware you have. Your console, your flashcart, etc… If you get a brick for trying to pirate stuff, you can only blame yourself, and really, you probably deserve it. With all their claims about helping people with bricked consoles, the Gateway team will do their best to not have to pay anything or alter their profit to help you, independently if you are their customers or not.
I’ll leave you with this quote from Cory1492 on GBATemp (long time member of the console scene for pretty much every device there is), who summarizes pretty much my entire feeling on this whole stuff:
My recommendation is to stay away from any such product that has provably included code to damage the hardware it is meant to run on, regardless of their justification. I don’t care how well it’s coded all it takes is a simple unforeseen circumstance and it damages anyone’s hardware randomly – despite mathieulh, myself or anyone else saying ‘it should be safe’ the simple existence of such code makes the product itself unsafe.
Or, to put it more simply:
Gateway too lazy or inept to come up with a way to disable clone cards… throws tantrum instead and goes godzilla on the hardware (3ds) that made people want a gateway at all in the first place, ensuring mistrust of the product type as well as a financial burden on a possible fan of your work.Or even more simply:
If they’ve wasted even one second figuring out how to brick your 3ds on purpose, that is time they have not spent ensuring your 3ds is safe from harm while using their product. Please don’t reward people with money for this type of behaviour




This is why I never even attempt to purchase hardware mods.
Honestly I think hardware mods should be illegal. It defeats the entire purpose for DIY hacking. People should dedicate their time to learn their device and the hack rather than just find an easy fix. Of coarse if the hardware is necessary they should still play around and experiment with that hardware.
That is a stupid and ignorant thing to say, Hardware mods almost always the first step to DIY hacking. Its through hardware mods that we eventually find out enough to create easier, softer mods/hacks.
Do you realize that their hardware is only that card? Everything else is being done on software side (bypassing security, running their own code..). It would be hardware mod if they would be selling additional board which you had to solder to 3ds and even that needs software part which will be doing the same as their flashcart.
I think you are imaging it like someone just has to put random chip on board and magically everything works.
prolly he meant “it’s ironic to pay for something to pirate something”
I wonder what’s Wololos plan to capitalize from this huge hacking market.
Sadly, for us people with a conscience, that amount of money is more difficult to obtain 🙂
more difficult… impossible 😛 you tell me.
I got it! Pay super hot models to host your events, I mean when you give free PSN codes or any other prices, that will attract the masses… on the downside I think that will let you with even less money than what you had beforehand…
This is nice to know
But I will state this any software or hardware can be used for piracy and most likely the first mod for the vita will be hardware just my 2 cents
For all I know someone has the hack for the vita already just like the PS3 first hacks
and did everyone forget that the true blue did something just like this as well
That may be so, but in this case the hardware is literally only there for the sake of making a profit. Anything this card does can be done using software only. You will need a ds-mode compatible flashcart to run the homebrew file that installs the exploit, but those can be gotten for around 10 bucks if not less. The entire Gateway is pretty much useless, it’s just there so that you have something you need to purchase.
nah, usermode exploit can’t be used to run pirated copy of vita games.
Much respect to you Wololo. You have summed it up very well.
To be honest, I am a pirate but with this Gateway fiasco (and in general the whole 3DS scene) I have to ask myself if it’s really worth pirating games. I am affected with pirate syndrome, so much. While I won’t be able to buy every game I would like, I could easily buy 2-3 games every few months. I think it would be more fun to play games knowing that my money went to the developers (whatever amount).
I am glad I never bought their Gateway card. Been watching the whole scene, they (gateway) called other teams Mafia (laughing as I type this, when they themselves are bricking consoles in a way and extorting money ($100 return charges if found the 3ds had a clone card). It’s funny.
Hi, I like this series of articles, but this one seems to be more about not buying gateway stuff then about how it actually works.
What series of articles? Please do not confuse this article with the “10 days of hacking” series by Acid_Snake
What’s your stance on Team Xecuter of Xbox acclaim? They claim to be pioneering hacks but all they do is recycle other people’s work, and then if you try and do it the “old fashioned way” (the original hack done by the original dev), then they offer no help and don’t even allow your thread to go any further on their forums. Money-grabbing ***.
There are also a good chunk of people so bothered by Nintendo’s bacwards peddling that they even get these flashcarts on 3ds to bypass the regionlock, so it’s not only used for piracy
If somebody wants to use homebrew on his 3DS (v4.1-v4.5) take a quick look at this thread (You only need a DS mode flashcard to install the ROP Loader):
http://gbatemp.net/threads/homebrew-development.360646/ and better get the ROP Loader Install File from the original source: http://www.fiercewaffle.com/softwareArticle.php?id=10
Use it at your OWN risk and better not try it if you have already used Gateway 3DS or a clone on your 3DS. (^_^)
Too bad people will never find an exploit that allows downgrading and/or people to use hacks on 4.5+
Thanks wololo.net . I a reading this forum for years now (you guys gave life to all my psp´s 😀 ) but this is the first time commenting (as much as i recall).
I was thinking of buying a 3DS and a Gateway3Ds (yeah Pirating is bad, but im a gamer with heart and i just dont have the cash for all the good games 🙁 ) but you guys again saved me.
This time from making a bad decision.
Thx m8s.
I get a hint of jealousy/envy from this article.
If authors want to sell their exploits or give them away for free that is their business. Everyone has a different value on what they are worth.
Without Gateway there would be no way to play backup games. If they are gone in 6 months I don’t really care, but the fact they gave us all the opportunity to play 3DS roms is enough of a reason to support them over people who just rip their efforts.
I’ve come from a community that only supported rippers and in the end nobody was prepared to contribute anymore, so what ended up happening is all the old content was recycled again and again. I don’t really want to be involved in that type of community again…
i guess you don’t even know what is an ETHIC.
If you truly cared about strong ethics you wouldn’t even considering tampering with your console in the first place, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself.
So the question raised shouldn’t bring about the question of ethics, as they say there is honour even among thieves…
Promoting people to buy a rip off clones is too an ethical issue but that isn’t what concerns me. The concerning factor is it sets a precedence, that we should all stoop to the lowest common denominator to get what we want.
Now the only reason someone would aggressively promote such destructive behavior is if they have been emotionally compromised, incapable of seeing what disaster awaits.
There are many ethical ways to tamper with one’s hardware, you’re talking of things you obviously do not understand. Assuming I am “emotionally compromised” when I don’t even own a single Nintendo product is assuming way too much.
Have you been reading this blog for a while, or just came here for the first time today? This blog has a strong history of discussing hacks, hackers, their techniques, as well as scams; which is exactly what I’m doing here, from the unbiased opinion of a guy who doesn’t own a 3DS. I am also sharing my opinion on the matter, based on more than 8 years of observations of the world of console hacking: you are delusional if you think Gateway 3DS would support their products more if there weren’t any clones.
The main point of this article was to open people’s eyes on the amount of money that is at stake in this business, as a new point of view as to why the Gateway team will not hesitate to brick a few consoles to reach their goals.
Also, once someone made the decision to pay for piracy, it is beyond me as to why they would try to be “nice” and “ethical” in their purchase choice. The decision to be ethical has to be made before that point. After that, it is just hypocrisy. I do not “recommend” people to buy one of Gateway’s clones, I just open people’s eyes on the fact that there are no “good guys” or “white knights” in this business.
its you n00bs that always correlate console hacking with piracy. Backup games my ***, i’m sure over 99% using Gateway to run pirated copies. There’s no reason to jealous to mere RICH THIEVES!!!
I think you missed the point of my article. I am not envious of people who make money from piracy. I have, however, something against people who do so and pretend they are a legit group/company and will provide good quality support and hardware, when all evidence points to the opposite. My whole point is: if you are going to pay to pirate games (which is dumb), make sure you spend the less money possible doing so. Paying people more just because they say “clones are stealing our hard work” is so far beyond my irony limits that my meter exploded.
I make a good living with my real life job, and hacking is a hobby for me. I am not envious of people who make money through illegal means.
Or to sum it up pirated the pirates and claiming you are not one is a summation of this company’s moto
I get it they will brick your consoleif you do not use only theirs so they make profit
Not only are they a major rip off they want to own the market so they will brick your 3DS for it as well
and could possibly do it even if you never use an off shoot version bugs may make the card brick your system
So they are the pirate that want to look legit
Who would want to deal with someone like that
Company moto
O it is ok if we do it but you are not allowed and if you do then we are going to break your system
“since you are giving your hard earned cash to a group of crooks, you might as well minimize the amount.” that much say it all, it rly funny to see kid’s and older ppl givin’ their money to this kind of ppl. If u have money buy games instead, why risking something that just came on net. Yeah rush to that place, be a first to buy. That’s dumb. Read a little, search on google, find some other means of information, but don’t buy random stuff. I honestly think this kind of we-hack-ps3-ps3-ds-et-companies exists just to take money from dumb ppl. And that “we put random bricking code” ffs, its like their stuff is TOP CIA code. It all gets copied, patched and in the end (like all way’s) leak in internet.
yup yup yup. wololo said what I think.
It’s pirate war went too far to kill off its competitions(cloner). They complaint their ‘hardwork’ of pioneering got stolen. ‘pioneering’ of what?! =>piracy. no matter how hard they tried but it is clear piracy. it all comes down to its business practice of milking out of piracy. Their claim give me a good laugh everytime I see some updated one.
Their code better be damn good and not have any issues or they could wind up bricking 3DS’s of people using the Gateway Card. I understand the need to protect one’s work but to intentionally hurt the end user instead of trying to hurt the people stealing their work is just plain wrong.
I love the idea of not having to carry around a bunch of 3DS game carts everywhere I bring my 3DS. You don’t have to be a pirate to use a 3DS flash cart as long as you have a legitimate copy of the games on that flash cart.
If their business is legtimate why isn’t it licenced by Nintendo. No “hard work” is required to get your code to run, unless it’s unsigned code a.k.a. something nintendo is going to lose money on. What about nintendos “hard work”, you know, the work they did to stop this kind of thing. The “hard work” they did to create the console in the first place.
$80 to play 100+ games for free, I’m sold. I really like your guys and your hacks wololo just to let you know and as I’m running your XMB on my Vita as well which I’m grateful of you guys. But I’m also a Gateway user and I’m really satisfied by all the features that Gateway gives us. They are the first one to come out with a hack and I do think it’s really expensive but it also provides what we need. I don’t have any issues with it so far and have enjoyed so many games which wouldn’t even be released in my country. What you guys are saying in your blog is your own personal opinion not what we users think. I do admit what your saying in your blog but what I’m not getting is if you have some kinda personal issue with Gateway or are you just trying to help us????
All I can say is, anyone who was willing to do this to their 3DS, to find an easy way to mod it run ROMs (which I have nothing against to be honest), you knew the risks, you should have taken into account the slight chance you’d ruin your consoles. Granted, Gateway isn’t blameless, and I hope someone makes CFW and blow it right open so these *** don’t get a single cent.
End users had little reason to believe that the creators of this product would intentionally brick their 3DS, though. “Gateway isn’t blameless” is a silly way to say “Gateway is entirely to blame,” considering this wasn’t some simple mistake or unavoidable flaw but intentionally inserted to punish competition and the users of their competition.
When I really think about it, and I mean really think about it…it mostly because of Gateway 3DS that tries to profit from it.
They KNOW that there are people who can’t afford games every months it comes out, but it doesn’t mean you SHOULD just pirate the heck out of it. I always buy the games that I like, because it means that the developers would tries to make games that troupe their current games. It always nice to see the developers getting the funding they need to jumpstart the next game in the series or standalone.
But, sadly, when you have groups like Gateway 3DS who charge you $80, you’re better off buying two games for that price, knowing that you don’t have to worry about your 3DS not getting bricked.
Oh, and don’t forget, True Blue did the same thing, and it was funny when they tried to keep ahead of the competition, but you get ALMOST no support from them and their site was DOWN after Cobra came out.
Remember, Demand create supply, but they’re probably a groups either from Brazil, Middle East or China who’ve learned to exploit people from the USA into paying money for *** product when you’re better of running homebrew to play with actual game.
Sooo, I should be happy I bought the R4i 3DS Gold Deluxe Edition.? Or should I be freaking out because they copy GW Firmware and my 3DS is really at extreme risk of bricking the next time I play.?
Is there a way to uninstall the Lunch file from the 3DS?!
try to stay out of beta 2.0 laumcher
Now that the multi rom is about to come I will buy Gateway when online will work on it (and I don’t care being a pirate cause if no flashcard was available I don’t buy games).
I don’t care about piracy in the least, but I really don’t think buying a product like this soon, or anything from Gateway at all, is a good idea. They just intentionally broke many people’s expensive devices, so you’re taking a bit of a risk by doing business with them.
I have read (on another forum) that the brick code is only contained in the latest beta firmware? So the code is not present in the earlier firmwares and was a step from Gateway after various clones appeared?
This is the thread I mean (in German). It claims that this brick code is only in the newest beta firmware
https://ngb.to/threads/161-Gateway-3DS-Erste-funktionierende-3DS-Flashcart/page14?p=187387#post187387
Awesome article Wololo, glad to see someone else speak out against these type of devices 🙂
Yup, was really glad to see an article like this, profiting from piracy is junk.
So what wololo says that if yi fan lu hacks the vita and is selling the hack for $20 …then somebody else reverse engineer his code,and sells it for $5 we should all go with the random guy who is charging $5.
I would be stupid to try to sell anything of questionable legality since I never tried even the slightest to hide my identity. Sony would be knocking at my door in minutes if I try to make a quick profit selling pirated dongles.
right, apparently these people doesn’t understand where’s the main problem.
@xoombue503 the fact that you use Yifan Lu in your example proves that you completely miss the point.
By putting the example of a dev selling his hack directly, you imply that the devs who found the 3DS exploit and developed some patches around it are the ones selling the Gateway 3DS. There is no proof of that, and for all I know there’s actually a huge probability the dev is only a minor part of the whole thing. I know very few actual hackers who have hardware skills + software skills + all the contacts required to manufacture a device on such a large scale and cut deals with resellers.
In essence you are trying to compare the work of a single hacker (who is perfectly known, using his real name, etc…) with that of an organization of several people who are doing their best to not be found. A dev like Yifan Lu has his private life, his reputation, his job, etc… at stake when he releases a hack. The people behind Gateway3DS made all they could to guarantee they won’t be personally accountable for anything that happens.
In other words, you are comparing Apples with Oranges. By paying $80 for the Gatewy3DS, the chances that your money actually goes to the people who worked on the hack are actually slim. If anything, only a tiny portion of your money goes to the devs.
For unrelated hardware components on a different device, I have been told that the devs took a lump sum of $100’000 for the exploit + the “CFW” around it. That represents 3% of the benefits, less than 0.5% of the total market.
I don’t have enough statistical data, but that means when you pay $80 for the Gateway 3DS, there is a chance the guy doing the “real” work is getting as little as $0.5 from you. Less than if every user of a free hack donated $1 to the hacker directly!
Please note that my numbers above are all speculative and based on previous experience with hardware. Look at how hard it is to drive a kickstarter project for some gadget: clearly the hackers are connected to a very well organized structure with connections among Chinese manufacturers, etc… Those are the people whom I assume are making money out of this. The devs are probably also getting a real good deal, but nothing compared to the entire money that is getting sent to these people.
The best cure for expensive, dangerous, piracy is free, safe, piracy. I’d bet that if anyone releases a Gateway-like free exploit, that would instantly kill Gateway.
Ironically, keeping things secret (or crippled) to “prevent piracy” may just make things worse without actually preventing piracy at all.
My favorite part are all the kids rallying FOR Gateway. I threads on gbatemp like “gateway should sue clone makers” and “how dare people try to steal gateway’s hard work” and “I agree with gateway’s decision to brick clone owners. that’s what you get for trying to be cheap.” And these are not just fringe opinions that people laugh at; you see threads with 20 pages of agreement. It’s like these kids don’t even see the irony burning them.
Also before anyone asks, the kernel exploit gateway uses is very simple and a very amateur mistake made by nintendo. The same kind of exploit will never work on the Vita for at least three big reasons.
The only reason I’d want something like this is to bypass the region lock anyway. Rune Factory 4 is a good example of the region lock being completely unnecessary.
How sad. I was hoping that the Gateway device would enable users to bypass the region lock, but if they are willing to do stuff like this then I can’t really see how any user would EVER buy from them.
This goes beyond merely selling overpriced, cheaply made devices or operating in a “fly by night” manner, or even misrepresenting their product; they are willing to destroy expensive hardware just for a market advantage. And it’s highly likely to blow up in their faces, as they’ve just seriously damaged any trust users could have in ANY 3DS flashcart in the near future.
This is why you use more reputable sources. For the DS, the R4i SDHC is the best and wont brick your system. Its also reputable and actually has support. Their R4 3DS is great and ive had no problems with it. Gateways r4 on the other is the worst.
So they are like the Gamestop of hacker groups?
someone should make 3ds cfw to put end to this clone wars. I don’t care either way since i don’t own 3DS.
My 3DS just bricked!!!!
I was using the R4i 3DS Gold Deluxe Edition.
Now what are my options to get this fixed?
There isn’t any fix that I’m aware of.
Gateway’s “anti piracy” technique told the eMMC that connects to the NAND that it is of size “0.” So, while we don’t know if you’d need to reflash the NAND with a backup, you can’t even try it because as far as the hardware is concerned the device doesn’t exist. So the fix is presumably to open it up and replace the eMMC, or possibly to rewrite the eMMC with a hardware hack. But no one has made any automated tools to do this yet, or as far as I’m aware even attempted it to see if it is a possible solution. We’ll know more in a few weeks when more people get bricked and Gateway shows themselves to be unwilling to fix even their own customers’ bricks, as someone will likely attempt to fix a bricked console on their own.
The Gateway team is doing some blackmail thing where they’ll supposedly fix a 3DS that was broken by their software and card, but they say if you send them a 3DS that was broken by modified software or a “clone” card (like the R4i) then they’ll just refuse to repair it and charge you $100 to send it back. Even an actual Gateway user would be pretty foolish to send their device to a group that’s willing to brick unsuspecting, innocent consumers’ hardware, though.
Actually it looks like more recent info may disagree with what I just said. Apparently the “reporting size of 0” claims were in error.
So since the eMMC uses a modified version of the MMC standard, there is a possibility that it has been write-locked and read-locked. Assuming that wasn’t done with a password, people will probably figure that out fairly quickly and someone will post a tutorial on what to connect to the eMMC and what command(s) to send to remove the lock. But it is certainly possible that it is irreversible, whether due to missing features/commands for the eMMC or a password requirement that no one other than the Gateway team has. (especially since only a few relatively qualified people have speculated about what Gateway might have done)
@Andre104623
I was system menu v4.5 as well, I was using a small 3DS tho.
What firmware/ Launch file where you using?
I installed 3.3b then thought I reinstalled 3.2
It was running fine then it froese when selecting 3DS Profile, I waited and waited then held the power to turn it off then back on and blue screen of death..
I still don’t under stand how it could be working find then all the sudden blip out like that.
I hope theres a fix for this soon!!
Buying Flashcarts as early as having a bunch of upcoming games within the next months, which all will sum up to a library still as short as the 3DS one is the only dumb and senseless part; most of the “1% or more 3DS users” addressed in the article should know that; there’ll be no guarantees the product will function with games released from mid 2014 onward; it’s the first flashcart of its kind and the user’s feedback is low (and these people put bricking functions to prevent competitor’s hardware from being used? lol) and not positive might say; the product still has lack of software functions which make it all simply annoying to use (such as being compelled to mount one game at the time only and difficulties in saving features, as far as I read).
Only those who are willing to reverse engineer the product and/or understand it to perhaps correct the afore mentioned “perks” are the ones who’d find the product interesting to buy in the very first place.
The so called “piracy” should be addressed with the mentality adopted before the digital and printing era, where copyrights (1790) permitted you to take a product, transform it and sell it as a new product (they shouldn’t even address each other as competitors) and it goes for no one to claim there are bad people behind whoever manufactures this kind of products, regardless of how much the “real workers” get. The “real workers” oughta know how much they were going to get or didn’t know, who even cares? If they were enslaved in a basement working for a misery, that’s another story tho I doubt that is the case. When you pay for a game, where do the money go to and who gets the most? The software engineers or the directors?
As far as saying that the way this group handled their product is poor and what they see as their “competition”, I can agree with it; trying to make the gaming companies looking like saints and those who develope pieces of hardware to expand/pirate their products as bad people, from my (tho non)experience, I can state I completely disagree.
I wonder how your systems got bricked. I am using mine, R4i 3DS Gold, and its still working on my 3DS’s latest firmware even though I did not update the firmware on its cart itself.
Well, anyways, thanks wololo for such a nice and detailed article.. I am really grateful that I have found this site of yours and been a follower since last year.. You saved my Vita from collecting dust in my cabinet.. Lol 😀
The Gateway team inserted malware into their firmware to destroy the reputation of their competitors through breaking devices.
But I don’t really know enough about it, but from what I’ve heard you definitely do NOT want to be on card firmwares between 3.1 and 3.3. There is a chance of a permanent brick any time you boot the card if you are on any of those firmwares. So you’ll want to be certain that the card isn’t on one of those, or you will probably have a ruined 3DS shortly.
Say what you will about the Gateway team, but they have continually updated their cart and have followed up with all the features they’ve stated they were going to do. This is no different than the flash carts that have been available for the DS for quite a few years.
Sure, I am just trying to give some perspective to people who picture them as “good guys”
I know I’m coming in on the tail end of this, but I just wanted to ask something for discussion purposes. How is this any different than Nintendo bricking your Wii console for hacking it? Or Microsoft locking thousands of Xbox 360’s into a locked update loop (cleverly disguised as a error code in hex) for having modified DVD firmware, then charging you to repair it. While anyone with a copy of their Wii NAND & the knowledge to restore it could repair it. Or the technical expertise (plus equipment) to restore Xbox 360 DVD firmware to finish the update so you could use your console again. What gives them the right to damage your personal property & extort you to repair them any more than these criminals? Don’t take that the wrong way, I am not defending these ba$tards. I just don’t see a distinction between these guys damaging your property & a “legit” company doing it.
It isn’t different. I wasn’t aware of microsoft and nintendo using such dirty tactics. I dont see how that helps their business at all.
As far as I know the only thing Nintendo did close to this was give out an error upon boot if you had a Wii from Korea that was changed to a different region. As for the Xbox, the errors were actually caused by firmware issues, and wasn’t a case of microsoft bricking. The majority of the disc drive issues were from people installing an update from a burned game, the drive getting reflashed (this update was pushed for XGD3 support so it wasn’t made to stop piracy directly) and after a reboot the update failed to install since, well, it couldn’t read your burned stuff anymore. This was fixable by running the update from USB or just a standard burned disc with the correct update The other cases of this were generally caused by spoofed drives, again just a fault of how the 360 works and not Microsoft trying to break consoles. However with that said they did refuse to repair consoles affected by the later error which is pretty lame considering a lot of the time these were just refurbs with official firmware, they were just spoofed drives.
Glad I fixed the drive on my Xbox by simply buying the same model drive and swapping the boards
No risk of bricks since as far as the Xbox is concerned its the same drive
BTW since I don’t have any soldering skills its currently being held together by electrical tape :3
(over a year on no problems so far)
Well, that is partly correct but in the case with Microsoft they designed it and knew it would happen that way. If you had modified firmware on your drive it could flash it to the new stock firmware revision, they made a conscious decision to make it lock you into the error code. It could’ve easily just failed to update or flash the new firmware revision which would take the drive back to stock. The error happened regardless of the method of install you chose. That failure due to installing from disc media is a separate issue that can happen regardless of back-ups or originals, depending on status of your drives laser and other factors. They chose to lock out drives that were not stock, rather than make them stock with the XGD3 drive update. That is shady behavior. I spent over two weeks repairing and finalizing updates for people after that. I only had one out of close to forty that had a spoofed drive, the rest had modified firmware except for a couple that had simple drive failure during the update. I did it all for free, even for people that I didn’t know, because it was the right thing to do. Plus it helped me with contacts, but that isn’t actually why I did it. As for the Wii, at a certain point the updates were made to brick your Wii if you had modified cios in your NAND. I don’t remember at what update point they started that, since most of the repairs for Wii’s I do are hardware failure, but they most certainly did it purposely. They could’ve very easily designed the update to flash over the NAND and put it to the new stock update but chose not to do so. To me, this is the same as what these guys are doing.
The difference between Gateway and “legit” company is that “legit” companies actually repairs your devices. And if it’s within your guarantee time they repair it for free with free delivery in some countries.
“Legit” companies will most certainly not repair your device, without charge, after they do this to you. They tell you voided you warranty by modifying your hardware. But then comes the, “We can fix it for $$$.$$ or you can buy a new one.”
This is low. They just lost all reputation and respect. to purposely put something in the code that can damage the 3ds. like most posts, stay away.
I couldn’t agree more. The fact of the matter is the Gateway is simply a form of DRM being sold to profit off people who want to pirate, and is probably stalling the 3DS homebrew scene too. I think at this point a usermode exploit wouldn’t be a bad idea as apparently the ones mentioned a year ago through save exploits are still there, therefore they would work on all firmwares and would be more attractive to developers as more people could use their work. At this point the 3DS scene is basically DRM cards that only play roms and a small portion of people making some homebrew that utilizes the same exploit
Somehow, anyhow I feel reminded onto the times of DSTT, R4 and M3. They had something similar, a fake killer code inlcuded which if used on a clone of a clone killed the flash card.
There were even clone repair programms available. XD
But destroying the gaming device itself goes a little too far, it should be not the gaming device that gets damaged, rather more the clone should simple not boot at all.
Not the same, but yes there was a bricker but Gateway thing is way way drity practise… “Old” brickers for DS caused only flash card birck… but here it bricked whole console. Offered solution for 100$ is scam as heck. If they don’t encrypt their fw and other used it so for me Gateway is devil company.
they still have the bad 3.3b firmware up at there sight http://www.r4ids.us/r4i-gold-3ds-news.html
Why are they not taking that down to help protect there users?
I bricked my 3DS and I never knew about making a eMMC backup, its not warned or on any of the tutorials that I can find!!!
I’m in complete awh.
I hope this is more of a lock that can be fixed and not so much a brick.
PLEASE!!!