The Vita hacking scene, a community in need of fresh blood?
The Playstation Vita was out more than a year ago worldwide, and we have yet to see a native hack publicly released. I can see several reasons for that and will try to describe them here.
First, it is essential to understand that the Vita not being hacked “yet” is not an exception. Despite growing rumors, Nintendo’s 3DS has been so far following the same path (the NDS mode of the 3DS is hackable, just like the PSP emulator of the PS Vita is regularly hacked through game vulnerabilities); and it took hackers roughly 4 years to come up with what the general audience consider as the first PS3 jailbreak, back in 2010.
Technical issues
What this shows is that computer manufacturers in general, and Sony in particular with its playstation brand, have stepped up their game in terms of security. Modern programming languages make buffer overflow, if not entirely a vulnerability of the past, at least more difficult to achieve, while modern Operating Systems have increased counter-hack measures. In general these security measures are here for the good of the end-user (you!), to avoid being hacked and getting important information stolen or your computer used as a zombie in a massive Chinese DDoS against your own bank 🙂
In the case of the Vita this has the side benefit of allowing Sony to guarantee their hardware stays as locked as possible. As a matter of fact, I would claim that Sony has no interest in their customers’ security in general (did we mention some of your credentials on the PSP are stored in plain text?), and that their only motivation for keeping up to date with latest security measures is to guarantee their business doesn’t get threatened. After all, there only ever was one virus on the PSP in its 7 years of existence.
But I digress. Independently of the motives, the fact is that Sony’s consoles are much more secure than they used to be. The Vita is believed to run an OS based on FreeBSD, and has the security that comes with it, such as a better permissions system than the PSP used to have (which will avoid compromising the entire system if someone ever managed to take control of a specific app). Most likely, the CPU itself embeds security that would prevent our typical user/kernel psp exploits modus operandi. Loading binaries wherever we want in ram is prevented by things such as the NX bit (details here)
aethun and Davee’s comments in another blog entry are one of the things that triggered this article
As an additional security, the infamous Content Manager Assistant was made with the sole purpose of making it difficult to put any kind of file on the device. The Vita is made to play games, watch movies, and listen to MP3s, it won’t let you copy anything else there, and in particular won’t let you play as you want with the filesystem, unlike the PSP, which was recognized as a regular USB Drive when plugged in to a computer. If you remember how many TIFF exploits we had on the PSP, you’ll understand a tool such as the Content Manager Assistant is in general bad news for hackers.
I won’t go deeper in the details of the Vita security, mostly because we don’t know much about them yet, but also because we’ve talked about them several times on this blog. But to summarize, the information I’ve gathered from hackers and sources close to Sony all contribute to confirm that hacking the PSP (or the PSP emulator in the Vita) was Child’s Play compared to what the Vita is, and to what the PS4 will be.
Legal concerns
Technique is not the only way Sony is preventing hackers from joining the party. The legal action against Geohot 2 years ago has clearly impacted the motivation of several hackers, if not to look for vulnerabilities, at least to share them. A few hackers have contacted me with concerns of being the “first” to bring piracy to the Vita for legal reasons. For example legal concern was one of the things that delayed the release of project ARK, despite the code being ready more than half a year ago.
Additionally, with the release of Playstation Mobile (formerly Playstation suite), Sony have made it less “acceptable” to hack their device on the ground of interoperability and homebrews. After all, homebrewers can get a license for $100 a year and start playing with the SDK, so they don’t have a good excuse to hack anymore, do they?
And despite the exception for jailbreaking phones (and, keeping in mind that this exception was never there for consoles) revoked this year in the US (update: the jailbreak exception was not revoked, the unlock exception was), there is no sign of hope that the DMCA or non-US equivalents will let console jailbreaking out of it shades-of-gray-but-mostly-black legal area any time soon.
Not a hobby anymore?
But all things considered, the real challenge today with hacking modern consoles such as the Vita is the increased security of the OS and CPU, as mentioned above. The vita was built with security in mind from day 1, which was clearly not the case of the PSP. To a point where (and I think I’ve mentioned that before) spending time trying to hack the device is not worth it anymore for your typical “teenage hacker”. It has become too hard, too expensive, and requires knowledge that a single person would take years to learn. I am still impressed at the level of cryptanalysis knowledge that was required to hack the PS3. The guys at failOverfl0w may refer to their discovery as a huge mistake on Sony’s end, but the overall thing still required loads of work and knowledge.
When you think that the initial PSPs “simply” ran unsigned binaries out of the box, it puts things in perspective. Today, I believe that most console hacking cannot be led by enthusiasts anymore, but by companies, that have both the financial backup required to do the R&D, and reverse engineering work, while having ways to get their investment back, one way or another. Companies like Datel of course, but also more shady businesses like the people who were behind the initial PS3 jailbreak. Alternatively, a team of researchers looking for a great theme for their PHD… assuming their school is ready to face the legal risk (ok…never gonna happen? Well, the Xbox case was kind of like that…)
My argument above is that hacking the Vita today is an expensive and time consuming hobby, and it also has legal risks. I believe that the Vita is secure enough that only somebody with a goal of making money (a company) would be able to invest enough time and energy in hacking it fully. Additionally, given that the Vita sales are not so great, I’m thinking this means not only less hackers, but also less interest for potential “hacking” companies, which reduces even more the chances of seeing a Vita hack one day.
Where to look for new ideas?
Let’s zoom away from “businesses”, back to our regular community: the current Vita hacking scene is mostly made of people who came from the PSP scene, and a few from the PS3 scene. One thing that is sad and yet unsurprising is how much each “facet” of hacking pays almost no attention to the other “scenes”. How many PSP hackers know how an iPhone jailbreak works? Even more shockingly, while discussing with PS3 hackers I realized how little I know about the PS3 architecture, and how most of them know nothing about PSP hacking. It is then no surprise that the successful hackers nowadays are the ones with a broad knowledge of the other scenes. Mathieulh with his knowledge of the PS3 and the PSP comes to mind of course, or also Geohot who was famous for his work on the iPhone before coming to the PS3, but more recently YifanLU (his work on the Vita, despite not being public yet, is the closest the scene has to a native hack so far) who was initially known for his work on Amazon’s Kindle.
Well I’m probably stating the obvious here, with all electronic devices implementing similar security measures, relying on the same hardware and libraies, of course somebody who knows about one device will learn faster about the next one. But I guess what I’m saying is that the Vita scene, if it wants to make progress, needs to start looking outside of the world of the PSP. The iPhone and Android jailbreaking teams come to mind of course, but also people working on Nintendo or Xbox.
We are partially to blame here at wololo.net for the status quo on the vita side, and the emphasis on the PSP legacy. Clearly, by promoting hacking inside the psp emulator, we are probably steering lots of brilliant minds away from “actual” Vita hacking, but independently of that I still think few people actually have all the skill-set and free time required to be able to do something something Vita-wise. PSP hacking has the benefit of being well documented, and, in hindsight, quite easy compared to what we are facing today with the Vita. The legal pressure on a “previous generation” console feels also much lighter.




Great article, much useful information!!
I think we should ask for making a forum on XDA.
We can to it there: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
THIS! I remember when I first got my one x. At&t had the bootloader locked down and no one could figure it out… The community started a bounty to unlock to boot loader. After awhile some guy came along and made a program to unlock it….. If I rem correctly he walked away with well over 500 bucks for unlocking it….. Maybe the vita needs something like a bounty to get the ball rolling…. Nothings free in life so I wouldn’t see why 10 bucks would bother anyone. We should all deff start suggesting a thread at xda and start a bounty.
If not for the legal concerns I would have started the bounty myself ages ago. I actually already have money secured for that sole purpose, and am just lacking the legal visibility on how to make this happen while not stepping anywhere close to the DMCA (or its local equivalent in France, DAVDSI).
Ahhhh good point…. I always forget about dmca… Hopefully someone can find a loop hole or just start a fire under some new hackers….. Time will tell I guess
This statement is incorrect: “And with the exception for jailbreaking phones revoked this year in the US.”
Unlocking cell phones became illegal but jailbreaking is still legal. There’s a huge difference. Unlocking relates to a carrier’s ability to ensure that a phone only operates on their own (and their licensed partners’) networks and usually requires some kind of baseband exploit or modification. Jailbreaking allows users to have root access to a device that would not normally allow it.
Thanks, you are right, I keep making the confusion. I slightly updated the article to take this into account. Details here confirm what you said: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/jailbreaking-now-legal-under-dmca-for-smartphones-but-not-tablets/
um i think thats for software but if i was say to change the network card in the vita and able to change from my atnt to verizin is that like unlocking or not… but i think the vita operater section in system settings is lock and they had custum apps for there cariers..idk on the unlocked version
The problem with getting more people is the scene is full of ***, i was kicked out even before i started as there are just too many ***.
I had hacks for the PSP i never released as after all the abuse i see no reason to give them out to the *** and people that abused me.
I then left the PSP scene and went to the PS3 scene. Im still active there and doing well. Ive released a few things OF COURSE not under this name but a new name thats not linked to me at all. Nobody knows what ive actually released for the PS3 but im betting some of you use what ive released. I usually release it anonymously and others steal it and put their names on it. Depends on what forum you go to depends on what name is linked to them.
Ive told everyone if they are scared of releasing anything then email me and i’ll release it as im not scared of $ony and will happily release anything under my name and let them try to come after me.
The problem with this is people are after the fame not to help the public. Im here to help everyone and i dont care for the fame thats why i say i will happily release whatever they want my to release.
You sound like a 14 years old boy.
Chill out bro!, his argument is sound.
Disagree, provide your own sound reasoning!.
NakedFaerie is a well-known *** and troll. Back in the PSP scene, he used to troll the forums about GEN-D3 not releasing faster and basically everyone hated him.
Just ignore him. Everything he says is 100% BS.
See YOU are the reason why I was forced to change my name and release under a different name. YOU are the troll.
Back in the day I had lots of tweaks and hacks and needed help on a few that I couldn’t do and got abused when I asked for help. Thats how it all started, me asking for help.
Now how is that being a troll? Just because I asked for help on a few forums hoping there wouldn’t be *** everywhere made me find out there ARE *** everywhere.
thanks to you I never released anything I did for the PSP. You all missed out. I had some great things and some even better that I needed help on finishing.
As I never released anything you all say I was a troll and 100% fake. I can see that, its like these days when the devs show you videos and dont release it thats also fake. Fake as the public will never get to see it or use it. Thats the same as my stuff. It was made but never released thats why they say its fake.
You NF are full of ***, always have been, and always will be. MaxMouseDLL gave you an opportunity to prove yourself, and you failed. You have not released any hacks or tweaks because you do not have the knowledge to write a simple hello world as MMDLL asked. I can dig up countless posts on maxconsole. I will post your 10 most *** posts here if you wanna keep living in your dream world. Wake the heck up.
NakedFaerie,
seems like you made a bad history…
you are quite famous for not proving yourself worthy.
So you are not scared, but still you release with different names and let ppl take the credit for you?
That sounds like scared to me…
The scene full of ***, true dat… but there are many good ppl also, you just need to ignore the rest…
I’m not scared but everyone knows my name and everyone abuses me for it so WHY would I release anything just to get abused?
I release everything anonymously and others STEAL it and put their own name on it. I’m not scared just like to do it for the public so if its with my name or not doesn’t bother me its out there and the public use it and enjoy it enough to steal it and say they did it.
It also shows you I’m not in it for the fame, I’m in it to hack the PS3 and *** $ony off.
@NakedFaerie you always come up as the same broken record. People won’t believe you until you start showing actual proof. If you use so many hidden identities, I’m sure you wont mind pointing people to your actual involvement in some major PS3 hack? In my experience, the truth about people’s involvement in hacks always surfaces, at least to well informed people. So show stuff instead of claiming all the time.
As we’ve discussed before, if you were that good you wouldn’t ask constantly for more releases. The “good” hackers I know already have access to the hacks they need, either because they know people, or because they came up with the hacks in the first place. These people don’t beg for releases, what they discuss about is how/when they will do them.
rofl, this guy should be completly ignored wololo.
he’s like a peasent version of math, just a complete idiot, can’t believe he’s still around saying the same old story.
what a pathetic loser.
Hey!! stop flaming my buddy nakedfairy
Hahahaa. Speaking of bullshitting, trolls from the PSP days, here is another infamous idiot coming out of the wood work: DJGodman…
What is it a full moon tonight? LMAO!!!
Damn boss, u sure u got abused? The way your making it sound, It sounds like you got molested.
@NakedFaerie
Where have you been baby i missed you!!!
XOXOXOX
Woah, cool story bro!
Give Vita a forum at XDA Developers, I bet some devs with their PSVita lying around will try to play with it, and maybe even get good results!
Yes, making a forum on XDA is a good idea. I think we need to ask for that.
Yeah, but will they be interested?
They might if you start a bounty on the vita…. I’ve seen plenty bountys over there get good results
That is a great fourm as well. With those minds, I am sure that we would be able to see an android based vita some day with a modified romfrom perhaps the xperia play.
PLEASE, don’t let it be android 😛 That would be sch a waste of the Vita’s capabilities…. I’m all in for some version of linux.
First, this is a good article, and very long read! Kudos!
Second, I have had many thoughts fully submersing myself into the psvita scene by taking some from psp, and android… The things that has kept me from that are simple… Life and knowledge.
I still require more knowledge first and foremost to be of real use. I will gladly learn, but require someone to be there to explain when just text alone cannot…
Also, with life I’m dealing with College, Military and Personal things…
I won’t mind adding learning what I don’t know into the mix, but I have yet to find someone who could help as explained… Besides, some things are not really documented in a way thats more understandable to those who are not experts already…
long time i seen a good read from wololo.. thanks
Nice post . Wololo , some people say that when the vita is fully hacked it will be able to emulate gamecube . Will it ?
We don’t know yet, we have to wait until it’s fully hacked. 😉 (great devs leaving the scene is a major issue as well :()
But taking a look at the specs , is it possible ?
The most problematic issues with getting any emulator on the Vita is if there are devs left with time and patience. If there are they’d have to port the Dolphin Emulator, which shouldn’t have a problem on ARM. I wouldnt say impossible but a long shot. If it was the compatibility would be very low, as well as the speeds would be low, something we see now with Daedalus64.
Its getting there (ARM that is)
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/02/dolphin-nintendo-wii-gamecube-emulator-running-on-android/
I feel like you hit the nail on the head with this article.
im just gonna put my vita back in its case and be patient
I have lost hope. *** YOU SONY!!!!!
then dont BUY our CONSOLE!! *** YOU TOO
i bought the *** console because nintendo makes platforms with *** graphics and sony at least makes them great for a portable. I was hoping it would have cfw the day it came out and all the fake youtube vids and articles had me thinking it already did. i was hoping to play full speed n64. But sony finally stopped shooting heroin and decided to step up security. The only reason i also bought the vita is because microsoft dosent have a portable console but if they ever make one the vita will be used to wipe my *** until sony makes a new portable system and then ill buy that one too wipe my *** with. I appreciate everyones hard work here at the scene and i hope the vita will soon be hacked.
and there are no good games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yo, tell us how u really feel… lmao
So you bought Vita on day one to play full speed n64?
A guy with a Violet suit and brown hat comes to mind…
:D:D:D
Haha good one SONY.
Will you take a few request from your users while you are here? 😀
Really great article, wololo! Good interesting long read.
Now that’s what I call a useful understandful article! 😛 Thanks Wololo! 🙂
Understandful…. “Creating your own words shows vision and creativity,… Visitivity” lmoa j/k
That should be put in the dictionary.
This is quite the wall of text…Besides that though, I feel as if a different approach to this should be thought of to solve the problem at hand..
“Additionally, with the release of Playstation Mobile (formerly Playstation suite), Sony have made it less “acceptable" to hack their device on the ground of interoperability and homebrews.”
Sure that’s really nice if you live in Japan, Australia or the USA, but what about the rest of the world where PSM isn’t avalible yet. Yeah, sony is working on bringing it to us but, when?; and with the advent of the PS4 I don’t think it’s going to be a priority.
TRUE!
I would gladly pay the $100 to get a go at the SDK, thing is, it isn’t available in my country! 🙁
a wise man once said, forgive your enemies but never forget their names.
Funny you mention Datel. I never owned a gamecube until recently and have been interested in playing backups on it (I have a wii). I had to spend $30 ($20 + $10 ship to U.S) for Datel SD Media Launcher to make that happen. Didn’t want to do the solder method.
Indeed hacking a device as complex as the vita proved to be a little difficult for those acoustumed to the simplisity of the psp.
hi i disgress … unix as psp has no virusses only programmers
yet on the other hand my tiff colection shrunk when i connected my 2.71 tiff psp to any pc with a virus scanner
thank u mcafee
It seems there were two:
Once downloaded the virus Trojan.PSPBrick leaves the PSP inoperable. F-Secure has also identified another virus, EXPLOIT 2G PSP Team V1.RAR, which deletes necessary files on the Sony PSP and apparently the process is irreversible.
Wololo, how about helping with the 3DS scene. Right now that’s one device that needs some cracking. I remember it was announced they had something up their sleeves, but not an update since.
Why? I think it’s around same state as the Vita right now.
The 3DS can play DS, GBA, etc games just fine right now with a flashcart last time I checked. Haven’t really been keeping up with the 3DS though…
Actually….
The 3DS can only play DS games perfectly with a flashcart.
There are issues with everything else.Which get bigger the newer the console is (GBA emulation works better on the psp/vita right now…after all,they “work differently”).
On a theoretic level,the 3DS is in a better state;there is native kernel access involved.
maybe too hard for ppl alone. And i doubt company will release anything if they can not make some money from it.
“I would claim that Sony has no interest in their customers’ security in general (did we mention some of your credentials on the PSP are stored in plain text?)”
Is it only based on the PSP example? Eventhough i agree that this shouldnt happen, i’m not sure how much it means in the overall scheme regarding Sony and how they view the security of the consumers today. The PSP was designed in 2003/2004, how are things on the PS3, Vita, Sony phones and tablets?
I think that Sony are very aware of the security regarding their consumers’ information, especially after the PSN hack. That was a big shake up for Sony i believe. I dont know how Sony were i.e 2-3 years ago, but what matters the most is how they are today.
But overall a good article, i enjoyed reading it 🙂
6 years ago, I believe that normal people didn’t know how to open a file which doesn’t have a .txt extension (WinXP)
Hehe, yeah, i dont think that the PSP stuff was really a big security risk (if that is what you mean?). People needed to get their PSP stolen or hacked remotely somehow (using a virus for example), and then the person who did this would have to be knowledgeable on how to find the PSN login information.
But as mentioned, stuff like this isnt necessary and it should be protected better regardless, but the security risk in this specific case was probably very small at least.
At this point, this is mostly a matter of personal opinion, but the PSP is not the only example I have in mind. Of course the hack from 2011 was the “best” example of Sony’s lack of care for their customers’ security, but another example is the rootkit scandal in 2005. I would also mention how they threatened Aibo hackers in 2005 on the ground of the DMCA, only to stop supporting their robot-dog a few years later.
More recently maybe, the content manager assistant on the Vita, or the Blu-ray security specifications tell me that they care much more about protecting their own intellectual property than they care about protecting their customers. Which would sound “normal” for a company, but is completely the opposite of what successful hardware/software companies do today. Think of the customer service at Apple or Amazon, and compare it to the Customer service at Sony. Good luck getting a replacement unit if you broke your PS3 or your Vita, while getting a replacement unit is a fairly common “happy ending” story for iPhone, iPad, or Kindle owners.
Sony are stuck in the paradox of being a content owner (movies, music), a content distributor (PSN), and a high quality hardware manufacturer, all in the same company. They don’t know if they should have their customers pay for the service, the content, or the hardware. In doubt, they make us pay for all of them, which is the wrong approach. And this shows in the way they treat their customers in general, not only with pricing.
Again, lots of this is personal analysis, but definitely, no, I would not say Sony has evolved in terms of having their customers’ interest at heart.
Customer service at apple??? You mean having to pay 20 bucks just to replace a piece of hardware with a new (overpriced) one? Don’t make me laugh.
I’m not an Apple supporter and never owned any Apple product, but you can’t deny that they are lightyears ahead of Sony in terms of customer service.
Doesnt this variate from country to country, depending on how good warranty laws are? Will for example Apple give you a free replacement if you damage your iPhone, and the warranty has expired?
think warranty good for two years by then think ill get a new phone apple been making new ones like every two years
Now you’re talking about something else though 🙂 First you mentioned the consumers’ security, giving example of the PSP stuff which indicates that their PSN login data could be at risk. Now you’re talking more about customer service.
The Aibo case was just about that they didnt want people to hack it, as far as i know. It didnt have anything to do with the consumers’ security.
The CD Rootkit stuff is a valid point, but this was however many years ago, so i dont know how relevant it is today on how the consumers’ security is handled. I also think it is worth mentioning that the CD rootkit stuff was done by Sony BMG. Sony concist of many seperate companies that might have nothing to do with eachother. Sony Computer Entertainment is a completely different company than Sony Pictures for example.
How does the Vita Content Manager and Bluray security specifications jeopardize the security of their consumers? The Content Manager doesnt store any personal information as far as i know, and playing a Bluray doesnt require any registration of info at all.
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“Sony are stuck in the paradox of being a content owner (movies, music), a content distributor (PSN), and a high quality hardware manufacturer, all in the same company. They don’t know if they should have their customers pay for the service, the content, or the hardware. In doubt, they make us pay for all of them, which is the wrong approach. And this shows in the way they treat their customers in general, not only with pricing.”
How do you mean? Why wouldnt they charge for the content that they offer? Business in general is about making sure that your expences are less than your income. If Sony has X-amount of expences to make their hardware, content and services, then they have to charge more than this to make sure that they dont lose money.
though i heard sum were that vita had sum kind of monitoring chip in it
No, I was talking of the same subject. I don’t have specific examples about security, but how by default Sony treats their customers poorly. A company that goes so far into making the experience terrible for customers (e.g. the Content Manager) just for the security of their intellectual property doesn’t have their customers in mind. And that means all aspects of the customers, including the security.
As far as the pricing discussion is concerned, my point was that a recent trend is to make the hardware very cheap as a nice entry point for customers to buy the services you offer (e.g. Amazon’s Kindle). Sony still tries to make you believe you are buying the hardware (by charging quite a lot for it and refusing to send a replacement unit when it’s broken), when in reality, they are giving you a way to access their content. They could almost make the console free is what I’m saying. Again, they are stuck, not knowing if they should drive you to buy more content, or try to sell more hardware, or…
Sorry, i ment in regards to what i quoted you on (only about the security regarding the PSP example you gave). I’m not sure if there is much ground to say that Sony doesnt care about the consumers security if there is no examples of it.
There are so much piracy going on in these days, so i think it is understandable that extra messures are taken to prevent it.
Personally i dont think that the Content Manager have soured my Vita experience at all, and i’ve had the Vita since the european launch and used it nearly every day.
It would be nice if it was possible to upload savegames to the cloud without having to go through a PC/Content Manager first though, but other than that i see no problem with it. You would need a PC (or PS3) anyway to copy music and video over to the Vita, so i dont see how installing a small program makes it a terrible experience for the consumers. Maybe if the consumer is running Linux only, then i can see it.
But fair enough, i see your points on this =)
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About Kindle, isnt that priced cheap because the device itself isnt very powerful and it is cheap to produce it?
But what you describe here is actually what Sony has been doing for a long time. They have sold their systems with a loss, hoping to make the profit from accessories and games sales instead. It was said that Sony lost as much as $200 on each PS3 for example, so i would not say that Sony charges a lot for their hardware compared to what it cost to make them.
Giving away system for free to everyone would not be possible, especially when we talk about these specs. I assume you mean that this should count for every console, not just from Sony, so i’ll talk about all of them in general:
Lets say that the PS4, Xbox 720 about $350 to make. If they are going to give that away for free, to lets say 300 million people (of course there will be tons of people who want a system for free). That would cost 10.5 billion(!) dollars. I cant imagine how much content they would have to sell to make up for all of this loss.
I wouldnt say that Sony is stuck at all. They hardly make any profit on their hardware as mentioned, so they try to get a low entry fee on the hardware, and hope to sell games and accessories and make money there. This is how they have always done it, and it will most likely be the same with PS4 🙂
Just to point out a calculating error earlier, it was about 105 billion dollars, not 10.5 🙂 It would simply not be possible economically to give away something like a PS4 or a Vita for free to incredible many people.
And if we look at the Vita only, lets say that it cost $175 to produce it, and 80 million wants it (although i think that more people would want it if its free), then we are looking at an expence of about 14 billion dollars.
Even if we cut the number in half to 40 million people, then it would be 7 billion dollars to give away, i dont think any company (especially not Sony concidering their current financial problems) would give away this much money without some kind of guarantee that all users would buy a lot of content. (sorry for all the posts, i just had to mention the example with Vita too :)).
About the last part, in afterthought, i guess maybe you mean that you feel the prices are uneven (that the hardware is priced higher, but the services are priced cheaper)? If so, do you have any examples of this?
No, I did mean that in the position they are, Sony could make the consoles free, and/or at least have the decency of sending a replacement unit for people who broke theirs. It costs them almost nothing to replace a unit once in a while, and that’s a customer they won’t lose to Microsoft.
I understand. I dont think it is economical feasable to give away the console for free since we’re then talking about giving away billions of dollars, with no guarantee that every owner will buy tons of games and content.
In this generation, the attach ratio for consoles are less than 10 games, or something around that. That means that every console owner bought less than 10 games in average.
If a system is free, i guess there is a chance that the attach ratio could go up of course, but it would probably need to double or tripple i guess for it to be feasable to give away hardware that cost several of hundred dollars to make. I dont think any companies are willing to take such a huge gamble. Not even Kindle is free eventhough that it has less powerful hardware specs compared to for example an iPad or a Galaxy Tab.
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About replacing systems, i agree that this would be a nice thing to do. This is why i’m so happy that the warranty rules where i live are so great. I dont have to worry if my console breaks down, because i can get it fixed or replaced within 5 years.
I’m not sure if Microsoft or Nintendo are any better however. Before the RROD stuff on Xbox 360 got huge, Microsoft did not offer free replacement systems. They did this later because the RROD stuff got such a big problem in general. It is uncertain what they will do with Xbox 720, if they will offer extended warranty on those.
And nothing wrong that you mention the other things of course, i just ment that my initial question was about that Sony didnt do enough or cared enough to protect the users information in these days 🙂
Why was my comment removed?
Nevermind, something messed up (the site or my head, I don’t know :P)
oh I forgot to say thank you wololo,thanks for your time and effort,I check your page 3x daily waiting for the next exploit and updated news from you,since early december youve been my homepage, keep up the good work,and expect a donation from me and plenty of others that have faith in your progress.
Everyone go to the XDA link in the second comment and request a PSVita forum, one will probably be made if it gets a ton of requests.
@capcomlegend
You might be on to something, Consider SKFU and his donated dev kit. So,… “Save our money, Do like the mob!”
wololo what year you created this site? the first time i came on this site was 2010.
I setup the blog in 2008 (but I was quite active as a psp user on other websites since 2006) : http://wololo.net/2008/08/03/welcome-to-heck/
We’re almost 5 years old, I’ll be sure to do some nice event with giveaways to celebrate in august 🙂
Yeah I started reading ur blog since 2009 must say it has come a long way since then and I keep checking for updates on ur blog everyday
Keep up the good work wololo and thanks for introducing me to home brew (on my psp) 🙂
SE CRIASSE UM VIRUS PARA COPIAR APLICATIVO NO PS VITA TEM UM PAREDÃO DE CODIGOS DE SEGURANCA INPEDE EU COPIAR UM NOVO EXPLOITE
and for example Waninkoko who was hacking Wii, (PS3) and is now developing android apps.
i posted on the request-new-device-forum thread on xda… 🙂
would love to see 2.5 update hack seriously… just got my vita fixed and was forced to update this =/ hope theres a team preparing for new hacks and finally unlocking the ps1 and vita full potential because sony doesn’t care about its system but only its money -_-;
@ spite forgive my ignorance, but would I have to donate 400 euros towards the devs kit?
when people will hack the firmware 2.5, I of course I did not ask about full hack but will come out even when an exploit for this request and in which game to put it let us send mail response so that Sony did not read and did not see his hole in a particular game! my mailbox RUSblagTOR@yandex.ru unsubscribe please!
return 4;
LOL
I’m pretty sure that the picture is just ment as a joke. I dont think that the code actually had “return 4;”.
seems legit 😛
I highly doubt android rooting and bootloader unlocking can be called “hacking” in the sense of the term I think ios jailbreaking is definitely hacking..
Coz android is open source and is a form of Linux which is essentially a hackers os(not in a bad way mind u)
iOS jailbreaking is actual hacking as its a locked down version of unix which has most of unix features removed(terminal etc) and is much more secure than android(no or only 2-3 “malware” has ever made it to the apple app store,on the other hand android has too much malware which means its easily exploitable)
I’m not saying android is bad or anything but we need teams like greenpoison and iPhone dev team to hack the vita
I’m rather sad at the way consoles are locked down these days and have switched back to gaming laptops and pcs
My last consoles left with me are my psp 3004 3g and ps2 fat(dunno model but is one of the 1st)
Am not going in for a newer console for this reason(until the vita gets hcked :D)
Good luck guys if u do this Sony has a new vita customer in me 🙂
Android is definitely easier than some. But when it took almost 6 months and a bounty to unlock the bootloader on the phone I use and still not have permanent s-off it took some skill. We need people like that are devoted enough to stick to the device.
for wololo : why not talk to greenpoison team to help you hack the vita ?
or a fundraising to team that manages to hack the vita
a good hacker if is not motivated has no interest in psv
the vita is to hard to hack , Sony to lose money on every PS Vita sold, but looking to turn profit within 3 years ,the full hack will be release in 2014-2-15
Good article!
PS Vita OS is Unique… Sony announced before that they might bring that OS to tablets and smartphones… so with 3G integrated feature and the Assistant Content Manager…in my opinion the last approach is to concentrate on how to Root the PS Vita; XDA forums handle all kind of devices.
PS VITA Needs a Thread in XDA
I think its better to get a nVidia Shield instead of Vita.
It has got a Universal USB 2.0
a HDMI cable slot
a Micro SD slot
Android OS support
WiFi streaming games from PC.
But the fate wrote a Vita on my head already and being from India I haven’t got an Exploit yet.
As an outsider I have a different view to why the PSP/Vita scene is so small.
It’s scattered, everyone has a different agenda. You got the homebrew guys that won’t help at all with signed stuff. Then you have the custom firmware guys with their mass secrecy. It wasn’t until the ps3 wiki that things become more inviting, still its depressing that such a thing never existed years earlier for the psp… what were you guys doing?
To put things into perspective, the scene I am from everyone is on the same page, you still have the mega-deluded-noob types and the dramas, but that is life. I’d say the biggest difference everything is provided to the public for free, no judgements attached. Never cut-paste friendly but info is there if you are searching for it.
If you want to know a file format it is right there in front of you, no magical voodoo or butlicking required. If you need the latest details from a vendor software update, no problems everyone works together to post that information. If you get stuck and need help, NP ask on IRC/forums and you’ll get an answer. Lots of IDA scripts and general information. You have countless people working together like an oiled machine.
This is why, for me, I find it hard to go from such a warm community into this harsh cold PSP/VITA scene. It’s like going from a growing society onto a hot desert path leading to a humid overgrown jungle. It’s not the 90’s with our green terminals anymore, the PSP/VITA leaders need to figure that out if they want many new people to join.
Forcing people to start from zero as their initiation doesn’t work, people with skill have absolutely no incentive – they may as well stick hacking what you already enjoy.
Vita is dead or better put never alive in the first place. The games are garbage aside from Persona which is a remake. Honestly what reason is there to even hack this system anymore to play emulator games and PSP games? Just go on craigslist buy a psp 3000 for 40-50 bucks and you have the same thing.
My suggestion is to either Sell it or put it on the shelf next to the Playstation Go Playstation Move and Playstation Eye as failed products.
The Hackers you claim that only do Homebrew only do Homebrew because of it’s easy Exploit. Don’t be fooled by them bluffing about how they have honor and won’t try to hack the other parts of the handheld. The truth is they aren’t smart enough to hack the Vita. Sony wins this time, at least for now.
sony is doing a maintenance now…i wonder what awaits…