Sony files patent to block used games
Controversy has surrounded the rumors that the PlayStation 4 (and possibly the Xbox 720) could block used games completely. Now a recently filed patent shows Sony might seriously take action against used games with the yet to be announced PS4.
Used games have been around almost since the beginning of gaming. Used games have given gamers the ability to play buy games for cheap, which offers those on a budget the chance to enjoy video games. Among other things used games have a lot of benefit and major corporations like Gamestop have thrived off the used games market. Most game developers have been against the used games market for a long time for one reason; developers do not see any revenue from used games that are bought or sold. Some developers have taken arms against used games with the use of Online passes, which is a code for online play that can only be used once and if that game was bought used, to access those features you’d have to pay for that pass. Rumor awhile back was that developers and console developers wanted and were looking to take used games to the grave by blocking used games completely with the next generation of consoles. That rumor seems to be coming true from the new patient that Sony just filed, with Sony themselves saying that it’s vital used games are blocked.
Sony has researched and patented new technology that could be implemented in consoles or handhelds to block used games. Sony patient number 20130007892 was filed for an “Electronic Content Processing System” and “Use Apparatus” that would associate individual game discs with matched user accounts using a more advanced system. The system works, according to the document, by attaching RF tags to each game which could be read without any network connection. The document states “A game playing system includes a use permission tag provided for use in a game disk for a user of a game, a disk drive, and a reproduction device for reproducing the game.” The details of the document basically show a full on block of used games for all consoles with no way around it, besides of course hacking; even that would be difficult considering security on a next gen console would be increased. The document continues on by saying “According to the present embodiment, realized is the electronic content processing system that reliably restricts the use of electronic content dealt in the second-hand markets.” “As a result, the dealing of electronic content in the second-hand markets is suppressed, which in turn supports the redistribution of part of proceeds from sales of the electronic content to the developers. Though in the following description a game application (AP) is exemplified as the electronic content, the present embodiment is similarly applicable to various kinds of electronic content such as an office suite, images, and music content."
In the patent filed, Sony said in the games industry that it is vital to redistribute a portion of the proceeds from sales to developers, who do not see a dime from secondhand sales. However, if Sony or any company was to block used games on their consoles present or future, it would be negative. Not only would it take away options for gamers but used games are necessary in this economy and are not even a threat at revenue, something you can see with the $1billion dollars made in 15 days from Call Of Duty on new games alone. If a game is good enough it will sell, and shouldn’t be affected by the small potion of sales of used games, something analysts have been saying for a long time. Blocking used games would give gamers less of a choice when it comes down to price. Its also unfair to not allow gamers to get some money back that they could put towards a new one. Blocking used games also means games would no longer be able to be found if production was to be ceased. Doing so could also devastate the economy, both in normal markets and used game markets. Companies like Gamestop would be non existent, and sites like eBay would lose sellers, lets also not forget rental services like Redbox and Gamefly would be dead. It would be a terrible mistake to block used games on any console.
The main question is whether or not Sony would actually do something this drastic. It’s already created an uproar and made company shares fall. A lot of patents get filed, and a lot never see the light of day so now its a waiting game to see if Sony could actually do it. Until then sound off in the comments and let me know how you feel if used games were to be blocked.




Seems like this is the worst idea ever, i’m all against it.
Yeah, talk about digging your own grave…
Lol. xD Sony has been digging that grave for a least 7 years. The fact that they arent 6 feet under by now is beyond me.
I am also against Sony doing this, I feel that used games are needed in the gaming world but on the matter of consoles. I am surprised that MS is even around because there game systems have had so many problems and just as resent sony and MS sold the same exact number of systems, even know MS had a 1 yr head start. I have owned trash box 360 and sold it for a crack head price to get rid of it
They will make billion loses no one will buy it…
It’s great no matter what. They are the first to complain about piracy, recently put unhappy poor sales of the PS Vita, and now want to implement such a system?
What I see as a result is a redirect consumers to other consoles (Xbox and Wii / Wii U in this case, even the handheld), otherwise a great progress in the hacks and significantly increased piracy commercial games.
But after all, if Sony adopts this strategy even more pathetic, they bite into your fingers!
The way I see it, it’s just a reboot of what has already happened. Remember PC gaming? Each disk comes with a server-checked serial number which allows only a single computer to be installed with the game. Ever seen a used PC game on sale? No, because that market died ages ago.
Same with what’s happening here with Playstation, except now the system is embedded within the disk itself rather than manual checked via serial. The old system was good in the fact that a disk was always required to run the game, and this deterred piracy to a certain extent. Now that each disk is assigned to an individual system, the fun of the old “hey, let me bring over to your place and have some fun” is destroyed. Completely.
This move, if implemented, will definitely spur on a heated battle towards custom firmware which, at initial stages, would allow game disks to be used on any system without Sony’s limitation. Which in turn ruffles Sony’s jimmies and continuously patches the mods of their obviously broken system. Circlejerk begins, and Sony ends up losing millions rather than profitting from their little scheme.
*grabs popcorn*
If used games were allowed on PC, i could just borrow someone’s disk and install it(or search torrent). console media feels more like, it’s yours if standing on your shelf. and the titles are already cheaper to begin with.
Used PC games were possible before. I remember borrowing several of PC games from friends back in the days, it was no problem. Floppies could be installed, but sometimes you needed to write in a code each time the game started, so you needed the manual every time (of course this could be copied, but still). With CD-ROM games, then it was usually a CD check, meaning that you needed to have the CD inserted to be able to start the game.
Crinacle is right that this isnt anything different than what happened on PC. People have also accepted digital downloads a lot more now, and that content cant be resold either.
I wasn’t talking on a DRM perspective, but about the fact you only need the media to install the games on PC, which means physical copies get a different purpose. Anyhow, in general all PC games get their single player mode cracked.
But the main difference here is the price for the games. If all games were about half of their price(as it is for PC versions where i live), being able to buy an used copy wouldn’t mean as much.
I understand. But i just mean that physical PC games are made in the way that it wont be possible to resell them, so it is the same concept in that regards.
in steam as example you are at least able to login with your account on a different physical device in order to play your games there.
besides that, steam (again as example) often has 75% reduced prices on “not so young” games so if you wait, you can get it cheaper.
what sony does wrong here is that they force you to stick to your very own physical device. there will not be any way you could take a game with you in order to play it at your friends house on a beamer or a bigger tv. you would need to take your console with you. this suxx
Yeah, that is a good thing at least, that you can use the account on any PC 🙂
Personally, price doesnt matter much in this matter. I get new PS3 games for very cheap anyway (buying them from England, like Play.com, ShopTo.net, Zavvi.com etc.). I still dont like the idea to not being able to resell my games. It makes the physical copies kinda “worthless” in my opinion when it comes to collection value.
We can hope this patent is meant to be used on their blu ray players right? cause borrowed stuff runs rampant on them.. although i wouldn’t bet on it.
Nope, it’s aimed at video games sadly
I would definitely not purchase the “Orbis” if they block used games, not because new games are expensive but because it will have a negative impact on many businesses. I agree with the authors concerns.
new games are expensive?? dint tell me you are one of them fools giving 54.99 to gamestop for a used copy
oh my sony…
well, if they really implement the idea,”official” game will dead for sure,…and welcome open source in gaming(sorry for my bad english)
My, my. Sony: Making all the way in losing customers at any costs xD
I bought a game with one of they codes it was used, I ended up having to buy a online pass. I knew from that day this would be the new big thing to make them more money. I seen this coming long ago. :/ it’s bad news no game swapping. cheap secondhand games all a thing of the past.
And what if your system breaks?
you’re going to lose your game collection too. unless they make the game codes attach to your account like psn plus games or something.
leave it to Sony to screw over the lower class!
i don’t know whose the monkey running that bossiness, but he is gonna drive that company to the ground…..they should try and recapture what they had with the ps2.Not add *** features such as, No used games,and, this system will *** rape your family!
It was bad since they killed of the DC. Honestly, not much has changed.
Well if all the gaming system company’s go with something like this lets say Atari anyone
and any company that do not will own the gaming next gen
most people only buy new if they have a lot of money or if it is something they have been looking forward to
I say let Sony live and learn dumb company move if they use this
Dumb plans made by dumb people seems reasonable. Just be sure the person who buys this is ignorant of what it actually means. Sounds like pipa and sopa all over again. Except it’s about games getting more restrictive.
i think that they should make used games a bit more so they get a bit of profit, not block them
im happy a £5 game being £7
atleast they get something from a second hand game
im dissapointed in you sony …….
Reading some of the comments, i think it is important for people to know that patents doesnt means it will happen. Remember the patent Sony took on using DNA (or something like that) to identify a user of some content? Do people here really think such a system will be used in the PS4 just because there is a patent on it? While i agree that the newest patent seems more realistic, i dont see any need to threat it like it is 100% going to happen, but that is just my opinion.
*** this ***…
we have 2 vitas here in our household.. so now we need to buy 2 games???
Go ahead Sony 😀
i was thinking how did they gonna do it? is it possible to bluray disk or they will gonna create a new storage media for it?
but i’m againts it 😀
well… if this is the case and Sony goes through with it, I am done with any of their marketing and future consoles no matter how good they may be.
This is an excellent way for this company to go ahead and lose millions from their consumers.
Unless of course… the games will only cost $20-30 each than they may have a chance getting away with it.
No way would I pay $60 for a game, have it suck (like most do now a days), than be stuck with it for the rest of my life.
even if games do cost about 20-30$, then what happens if your system breaks and you buy a new one? will you have to buy the entire collection or will these IDs be stored in your account?
Also, who will supply the games? gamestop will probably stop selling sony products if they do this. This entire idea is BAD, somebody should stop sony from trying to commit suicide
I really hope this doenst happen. Among all the other listed things, you wont even be able to bring over your copy of Call of Duty 5 to a friends house to play. Youd have to bring your whole console. This blocking used games would harm gamers in every way.
All this does is prove how greedy and stupid sony is. How is blocking used games, going to make the developer any more money? If you go to gamestop and want to buy a game, you have two options. You can buy the new version, or the used version. Well guess what, if you buy the used version, its not like the developer doesnt get a sale. SOMONE HAD ALREADY BAUGHT THIS NEW BEFORE YOU DID. Buying it used again doesnt hurt the developer in any way. In fact it can only help the developer. It brings more awareness to that developer, and its products. You might go, “That was a great game, Im going to get the new one when it comes out.” But if your only allowed to buy new games, you are only going to buy games your 100% sure you want. All the games your 75% or less sure you might like, your not going to buy.
If this used game ban happens, Im going to boycot sony, and I hope others do too. We are the ones that have the power to spend out money where we want, and we cant let these companies get so greedy and irrisponcible.
(also as a side note, amlost all pc games can be baught or played used. Its only games that require an online registration that cant. And only a few games use that. Though the number of games that cant is increasing.)
Sony has allways kept a Comunist policy, all these news does not surprise at all. If these will come, I am shore that they will not sale more games than they are doing all ready. I am sure that it will slow down. May be Nvidia with theirs “Project Shield” will start salling more then Sony.
Sony has allways kept a Comunist policy, all these news does not surprise at all. If these will come, I am shore that they will not sale more games than they are doing all ready. I am sure that it will slow down. May be Nvidia with theirs “Project Shield” will start salling more then Sony.
Wait & see!
i disagree with this 100% BAD idea.. I buy new games all the time(mostly for the pre-order bonuses) as well as used. A lot of people in this world get used games for a reason mainly because they are poor, they just want a cheap game to play, to get a game back they use to have at a lower cost, and so many more reasons. For them to EVEN think of this would crush them with a year. A lot of people wait for the price to drop to play a game and i am kind of one of them a long with most people in this area im in.
Plus that would put companies out of business that sell used game… They make some money on new products but most of their gain is in Used games.
Its absurd. What is next? Headphones that only play music in the ears of the one who buy it in the Sony Store? That way you cant borrow them to your sister, so she have to buy ones… so the designers of the headphones dont “loose” money.
G2D.
I am against this…
But for some reason hope if this comes out then they can cut the price
imagine paying the full 60 plus tax on resident evil raccoon city. the buggiest game i have ever played and it sucked. many people pay full price on shi’ty games that they play for 10min then resell them cause they suck. if this happens then i will create a game for sony so i can make money off of all of you, and it will be the shi’tyst game ever. but i will be rich.
if my chances were low to get a orbis… now even lower. Im not getting it.
I think sony is going to go full steam with this.. Just because they did not learn there lesson from the PSP-GO. i know many people that got rid of that thing the next day! Me myself i just laughed at it and whent on with my PSP 1000. that is still going strong today! Well it’s been a nice run sony but this is going to hurt your pockets and your rep!
I’ve bought many used games which usually end up having sequels, and I buy the sequels brand new. They will definitely lose out if they do this, plus in many other ways also.
there being real idiots if they block used games that going to cut there sales in half if not more for both the games and the console cause people cant affored to pay new these days
there killing there ps4 befor it has been born
hopfully the xbox 720 will wait till sony f^$& up befor they realse and suffer the same consiquences
If Sony or any other company do that, I just simply won’t buy that console.
I wouldn’t support a company that will destroy several companies that lives by the rents / re-sell of games, and hence a lot of people will loose their jobs…
Duh ***!! they just want moe monayyy, bic boi *buklau voice*
This seems to be a fruitless endeavor. I play MMOs but I also like to play tons of other games. With real life stuff I don’t have much time to play a lot of the games that are out there. Sometimes I pick up a used game that I wanted to play but never bought. Usually this is a couple years down the road when there not in production anymore. Tales of Vesperia took me three years to get to. I would not have got it if I could not pick it up used.
And what about gamefly or barrowing friends games to see if I like it? I don’t trust reviews because that’s based off opinion and I often lose out on a good game when I listen to opinions on them.
I will boycott sony if this is implemented. Who’s the real pirates???
I’ll prey to GOD that Sony or Micro$soft implement this. I will just grab some popcorn and a soda and watch the fireworks.
Imbeciles…..I always said that their overly defensive nature against piracy would be the death of them……but I didn’t think It would be literal.
The most pathetic part about it is that only a handful of people understand how to hack/pirate a system or have the attention span capable of doing such a thing.
They’re method here is equivalent to a get rich quick scheme and it’s greedy and selfish. They clearly don’t give two *** about the consumers and that has been their problem from day 1.
They are so ***.
Playstation/Sony used to be my favourite console brand… since ps3, i prefer xbox360 for hardcore gaming and i prefer wii for casual gaming… sony has been making lots of bad decisions lately.. this is why sony lost its no1 position in console gaming and looks like it’s getting worse… make me think of sega
Well I’m certainly not going to buy this thing if it ever sees the light of day. 😛
But it kind of makes you wonder, if or when it comes out, somebody will hack into it and make it so that you don’t need an activation tag. Essentially making it just like any other console. But up until that point people might sell consoles that have already been activated with a bunch of games so you could just buy the disks separately.
It would also be a nightmare for game collectors in the future.
I thought that they had some agreement with Gamestop/Gamefly to get some of the revenue from renting or reselling their games. I think that would be a better solution than implementing this.
For certain, I have no problem buying an Online Pass to a game to play it online or to access online functions on a used game. New copies of the game come with that free. It’s Sony’s way to making a little bit of money back on that used sale, and you’re still likely saving money in comparison to buying it brand new.
The idea of completely locking out the used game market is a terrible idea, and I hope Sony is patenting it just to put it into the folder of patents that are never actually used, because this will kill the PS4 and most likely Sony.