Did Sony lose the “know-how” on the PSP?
The Vita is progressively pushing its older sister out of the picture, and even though Japan is still seeing a few releases for the PSP, it is clear now that Sony is focusing on the Vita and the PS3. More than 2 weeks after the leak of a PSP Kernel exploit inside the Vita’s PSP emulator, followed by the release of an eCFW by Total_Noob (which, technically, enables PSP piracy on the Vita), no update on the horizon.
Back in the days of the PSP, it was not unusual to see each Kernel exploit followed by a firmware patch from Sony within a few days. This time, although Total_Noob revealed his Kernel exploit 2 weeks ago, we have yet to see firmware 1.82 and its obligatory “stability improvements”.
Now, the situation is not that bad for Sony. First, even though the Kernel exploit is potentially still here, Sony’s services were relatively quick to remove the exploited games involved with the hack. To clarify once again, the games are not where the Kernel exploit lies, they are just an entry point to the exploit, through a User mode exploit. What this means is that the exploit is still here on 1.81, and anybody with a new user mode exploit could get access to it (for those who missed both the Urbanix and the Mad blocker alpha exploits). Technically, Sony is still in “danger” of seeing more people getting access to this exploit, until the next firmware revision.
Some people close to Sony have told me numerous times that Sony don’t really care about the PSP emulator on the Vita, which is way they don’t care too much about patching those exploits… and yet, surely the amount of money they’re getting from PSP sales on the PSN from Vita owners must not be negligible… Well after all maybe it is (I estimate that less than 3% of Vita owners have access to TN’s Kernel exploit), and maybe that’s why they don’t care too much about fixing it too fast?
But I have another theory: isn’t it possible that Sony has lost some critical Know-how on the PSP? As their engineers moved to the Vita, with a different CPU architecture, a whole new Kernel and firmware systems, surely the PSP-dedicated teams must be shrinking, and so does the knowledge of the system. I’m of course making a wild guess here, but could it explain why they decided to patch the Monster Hunter exploit directly from the Vita, rather than doing it inside the PSP Emulator, like they had done so far? Is it that running QA on the PSP emulator ads too much overhead in a new firmware, that they are afraid to touch the PSP firmware when they do a new release?
This is again a wild theory absolutely not based on insider info, but from what I have been told by the people who have looked into Kermit and other PSP-emulator related stuff inside the Vita, the people who implemented the PSP emulator on the Vita did not seem to be really aware of how the security works on the PSP, making some critical mistakes along the way.
Between that, the relatively long waiting time for the yet-to-be-seen firmware 1.82, and the “let’s patch the vita OS rather than the PSP firmware for PSP exploits” attitude, I am wondering if Sony has progressively lost technical knowledge on their own device, as their engineer teams moved on to other projects…
Do you guys think it might be possible today that some hackers actually know much more about the PSP than Sony themselves?



first?!
First idiot on this planet yes
no one can be DARK ALEX…
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I wish dark alex did come back. Id donate to him, and the wololo site
wanker?!
Zero?!
that is true hackers actually know much more about the PSP than Sony themselves,
Maybe.! Maybe no.! Heheheheh
HW different from SW. i guess it’s different team that makes the emulator, not the PSP HW team.
If they didnt care about the PSP emulator on the Vita, then the exploitable games would probably still be available.
I believe the original team didn’t work on
The Psp Emu for the Psvita and as i new team
step up they know less thhan the original team
making mistakes that lead of what we know today
on the Psvita,that scene dev kow more of the psp
than Sony dev team Yes i believe so. iam like 99.9%
sure of this statement.
Highly doubtful. It’s not like the PSP creators/dev teams just vanished into thin air. They can still can upon their services…
Right and PSone games run in the EMU so they aren’t all depleted.
Well, its a possibility. Anyway, buying PSP games in Vita´s PSN is giving money to Sony. I believe, if there´s no way to do piracy in Vita games using these PSP game exploits, this cat-and-mouse game will continue until a “real danger” to the Vita comes to exist. Sorry for my bad english.
thank you for this news.en this instant I work on a program which allows to abolish the lisence when they telecharge games vita on the psn and to saveguard them on PC .I knows it’s illegal it’s a great tournament. a good motivation to double sony
The PSP Emulator inside PS VITA is still a program running withing the PS VITA OS.
The Vita have a manager to handle all the hardware requests the Emulator has.
We have full access to the emulator, while unlikely, a Vita exploit within the emulator e possible. The Emulator allocates RAM from the VITA, that part of the RAM is reserved to the emulator, but who knows, we might find a way to overflow the RAM and get access to the PS VITA one..
Time will tell 🙂
All they care is munneh
You also have to take into account they have had a financial burden and many lay offs hanging over their head. Along with that most of their resources are spread among other huge projects. It seems its in their best interest to not do anything but pull, everyone still has access to the store and they still get to make money. Plus im sure they are aware of how big this is and how unlikely it will be for people to update so with the huge releases coming up they most likely dont want to split the user base online to offline.
You have a point there I guess
what would be an interessant to install emulator psp and homebreuws without crossing by one games or a sauvegarde game.for to make be of benefit has all world.I am programme planner I am tres motivate.
Humm they should probably prepare the update of the year! (with lots of change)
Maybe Sony didn’t realize and maybe you just explained it to them.
*Patched*
no one can be Dark Alex
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It looks like $ony dont have a clue or a care about the PSP anymore.
The PSP is left at 6.60 and the PSP Emulator in the Vita is 6.60.
I’m guessing as its all the same they have no care to update either as its too much trouble for them to go back to an old system.
Lets hope they dont so we can keep this exploit.
If it is really 5% of Vita owners that can use this exploit then there is really no need for them to update the system to stop 5%. Pretty stupid if they did. What if the firmware update broke the Vita, then you will have 95% of Vita owners punished for the stupidity of Sony for trying to stop the fun of the 5%.
Homebrew doesn’t hurt the sales of the system, it actually helps it. As soon as homebrew is running sales go up as thats when people buy the consoles. I know a lot of people that dont have a Vita as they are all waiting for homebrew to run on it. Some were really close to getting one but as the exploited game was removed so fast so was the sale of the console. Sony ends up loosing when they do that.
My Vita has been crashing on a daily basis. And that was before the exploit. It was running nothing in the way of homebrew, just PSN and cards, no exploits so as its crashing so bad I got the game and ran the exploit and its actually better. Looks like the exploit game doesn’t crash the system so I can happily run PSP backups and unavailable games on the Vita without problems now. 🙂
Re install your fermare that may fix the problem
Is this what we got? A ecfw that can only run on exploited games? I may empress if one person here have try to tink a custom apps for vita to make, which is it can install in all users account.
What? Huh?? I think you need to reword your response.
I dont think he is impressed by eCFW and would be more impressed with a full Vita CFW. If that’s the case feel free to go make that on your own and let us know when you are done otherwise bite your tongue.
GTFO people like you make end-users look bad. I am so tired of people who contribute NOTHING thinking they have some say on what is worthy or not, or those that say all exploited games should be free. I bet you pirate ALL your games too.
Wow, did you get here by accident? How did you expect it to work? Better part of a decade it has been this way.
Interesting, but it may be that Sony just does not have it too high on their priority list. Unfortuntly, there’s no way they’ll leave the exploit for 1.82 because others will port future VHBL exploits to eCFW…so Sony will patch it out just to stop future users from accessing it 🙁
Well they might not know that, maybe they think its per game instead.
A other projet may be downgrad ps vita.I have three projet(lisence, emulator+iso,downgrade).the best alone program may be.
maybe sony outsourced pspemu to other software vendors? that could explain why the quality of the code has a sudden drop.
Maybe sony is waiting for the psn plus update so the will not have to make another fermware from now and then
Could be, but thats not scheduled until Nov
Has anyone stopped to think about any natural occurrences of the disastrous kind?
This is not a surprise because Sony stopped caring about the PSP scene since 2011. They stopped releasing UPDATES because they knew the PSP was hacked to the *** and I think Sony will benefit from this aswell if you think about it.
is there a new user mode exploit???
I’ve missed both the Urbanix and the Mad blocker alpha exploits =(
No, not right now.
well dont remind sony! shhhhh… we got a good thing running lol
oh and there are still new psp games coming out next year. off the top of my head god eater 2 vita and psp!
Yes I think
What if they’re trying to get a hold of Total_Noob, Coldbird, Wololo, Dark-Alex, and other PSP CFW developers to make their PSP’s and Vitas unhackable?
Being a good hacker is not the same as being a good security engineer 🙂
Very true, M$ tried that with the 360…
we may have a clue if there are card reader for psvita as i’ve seen on vita when my vita hang-up and when i restart it there are 5 or 6 options to select, once i’ve tried to select rebuilt data base, the system asked for the earlier version of fw. if we could have a card reader we will have access to re-engineer the firmware. even how good the security engineer. there are one & only code to break the security. and maybe coldbird knows it as he says on his site “the security we make by sony…..”
I think they are not that eager to fix the kernel exploit because they would also have to do it for the psp. At this point we have been on 6.60 for quite awhile. If they were to patch the kexploit in the sandboxed vita they are in essence doing a 6.61 update to the firmware for vita and psp. I think psp firmware updates Will not be done. They’ve given up. They are happy just removing the game. The proof will be in the pudding if the kexploit is still there when the new vita firmware comes out.
This kernel exploit relies on a disabled k1 check. The PSP has this enabled, so this is only possible on the PSP Emu, not a PSP itself.
Sony>moar munny
If you can’t beat them – join them, Sony has finally given up on the chasing game or may be just may be Sony wants to keep it friends close (microsft and nintendo) and its enemies (hackers) closer.
It costs them money to employ a security team to patch all these exploits, they are not doing well financially and they know that everytime they patch one game a new exploit is found.
May be sony will give up on the chasing game.
Whatever happened to DARK ALEX? I would never have bought the psp if it wasn’t for him. DARK ALEX please resurrect from the dead. I had a dream that dark Alex people and WOLOLO people got together and turned the ps vita into a full cfw gaming device
The dark alex people and the wololo people are mostly the same. We opened /talk when darkalex closed, and I was myself a mod there for a while.
Nice dream though 🙂
remember advancedpsp.tk? that use to be the forum ^_^
Haha now u made me smile I’ve been wanting to ask u the same question for a very long time I had a feeling that you guys worked together . Now I got my answer , thanks wololo , you guys are the reason why I joined the psp scene
It’s almost 2013 do you honestly think Sony is going to focus on the psp emulator?I DON’T THINK SO!
I will use ps3 for example.Sony is the type of company to move on to another project rather than focus on the care of the current one.Ps3 had many phases from the 60gb version with the ps2 emotion chip to the emulation version which was the 80gb then after they wanted to release lesser quality ps3 machines like the slim and the super slim.
They also do not want to honor the warranty of the machines they release even if it is an old one and if you have the proper proof to provide that it is still in the stage of it’s factory warranty and if you buy a warranty directly from them.
The monkey supervisors they have working there need to be dropped back to package handlers as they ruin the company!
i posted on the forums that i have a close friend that works at sony, and he told me himself that sony are having “issues” trying to block the exploit. my thread got locked though. i dont expect any of you to beleive me, but just saying; if sony knew how to block it, they would have done it by now.
Here is to hoping they just leave it alone, i have spent atleast 600 in psn content for my vita and will continue to shell out if i can. It is really up to them, leave 3% alone and im sure they will continue to see our dough.
Maybe Sony tried to show that they were very careful from piracy to show game devs that their games are safe from piracy and encourage them to develop some more. But on the other side, Sony purposely kept the exploit as a rumour to people haven’t bought the vita. In which rumour is an interesting thing. What more if the user discovered that this rumour is true. Then Sony just fishing interested people to buy their new and dying(on the market) console.
All of these are “maybe”. We don’t know what’s their marketing plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9kMVd1L8s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
psx run of the bexploit
I guess that they’re just too busy with vita to do in-depth analysis of exploits. It seems Sony doesn’t care about that quite little group of people who was able to get ecfw, maybe it’s because those people are already lost as customers. Sony need to do their best about vita itself. They prevent large-scale spreading so there is no much of a problem.
Just a theory…
Sony stand to lose money by patching TN because if they do the majority of exploit owners would never update firmware and sacrifice their potential Vita software purchases on the PSN store?
The real question,
“Didn’t Wololo already blog about this?”
Deja Vu
all i have to say is that we will see a firmware update to get ready for vita ps plus,thats why sony is taking thier time to make people update