Vita 1.80: the hidden “features” we didn’t really need

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94 Responses

    • zach says:

      Probably blocked because sony has a team of spies that monitor the hacking seen daily. Cannot trust anyone these days.

      • Clad says:

        “seen”?

        Really if they even saw a single post in the last month they could of blocked this. Judging by the PS3 and lack of Vita sales, I give this one 8 years to fully crack open.

        • svenn says:

          Judging from the amount of actual users, chance is small pspVITA will be around for more then 3-4 years tops.

          This will be a good example in how some markets are open, and can’t be corporate closed anymore. You don’t buy a car that can only ride from fuel of a single fuelpump …

          As for me, I don’t even want a psp vita. There is not 1 feature that is worked out properly and not 1 feature an old psp din’t have or my mobile phone doesn’t have.

          • F says:

            “then”?

            And gaming on mobile phones is for halfwits. Real gamers use dedicated hardware.

          • Reza says:

            i just dont get people comparing mobile phone gaming to dedicated gaming handheld like Vita! Seriously you know that having dual stick + button makes for much much better experience. And Vita is the best you can get today.
            I love my Vita and play uncharted still, actually bought YS seven last night as well.

        • Guy says:

          “could of”?

      • Keyblade Spirit says:

        They don’t exactly need spies, though. The homebrew scene is highly public. To get information on it, all you need to know is that it exists and how to use Google.

  1. jotax says:

    for my, the control pad in the menus is useless.

    • xXEmilXx says:

      In my opinion this option is nice. I don’t need to soil my screen and it’s fast to navigate.

      • Norml says:

        Touch screen is great but not always needed, the option should always be there. But it’s half-*** at this point, not even OFFICIAL Sony apps have this feature implemented.
        Baby steps, very long, year long baby steps…

  2. Alberto says:

    The nes that was playable on the suite sdk on vita has been blocked

  3. meanmachine781 says:

    sorry for my ignorance, but why would you want several accounts???

    • Zero says:

      Get demos or games that come out in Japan or other regions. You can’t change your region on PSN

    • Norml says:

      Even more so, say you live with family or your a parent yourself…like the PS3, you’re going to have multiple accounts for each family member. Now you can’t switch your account to gain your own trophies, you can’t use your own avatar, you can’t use your own screen name, you can’t talk to communicate with your friends on your friends list…the list goes on & on. $ony is messing up, big time, having to restore your device just to do *said* actives is absurd now you need your own memory card also??? A memory card that’s not worth it’s price…yeah, OK, Sony. I hope there’s as big a backlash as would be the case with the PS3. They are saying F U to the customer at this point.

  4. dunno says:

    wololo did you update yur psvita?

    • Zero says:

      Yah he did. VHBL works but you cant transfer it to you vita. You have to have it before you update so only the people who have tested, helped, created it can use cause they probably have not deleted it of ther vita

  5. >_> says:

    Fxck I’m sick of Sony, first in T&C its says we have the right to “use” the vita and not own it, what the fxck is happening here I didn’t pay top dollar to rent a device I WORKED hard for that money ! Freedom is gradually fading…

  6. laurencef says:

    if you format your memory card will this affect your online game pass also? do you need to buy it again on psn?

  7. Zer01ne says:

    We can assign the corner of the touch screen for using like a PSP Control.
    The Snapshot are saved on a category from where we take the snap (Settings, WebBrowser.
    Have new button in the WebBrowser for go back to top of webpage.
    Something have change in the OSK.
    the CMA have new thing like PlayStation Mobile Cpntent Managing
    The notification system have new look.
    The look of near have change.
    The PSVita was more fast for execute any operation (Think upgrading the clock)

  8. byron mikalishen says:

    after many hours the ps1 games made it to the PS store, still can not copy my Crash bandicoot from my PS3, but i am glad i did not foolishly spend my PSN money after the disappointing news, and now NEURON has found a way! YAY!

  9. Spectro1111 says:

    Well how you like that Sony did all that for nothing. Must have been cheap security since its already been beaten.

    http://www.dashhacks.com/ps-vita/ps-vita-hacks/neur0n-defeats-sonys-protections-again-vhbl-on-180.html

  10. Norml says:

    Wow, the developers need to speak out about all these restrictions that will hurt not only their profit but also prevent potential future customers. $ony has introduced a none user friendly handheld and continues to degrade the customers experience. This is absurd, it’s an attack on the end-user. Yet again, what developer wants to support a company that does this to their customers? Provoking the inevediable $ony.

  11. Small World says:

    just resently my ps vita froze and force reboot and this message on crash report when it started back up and i have taken a screenshot of it if some how i could post it on your blog for everybody to see but the message say “Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and its affiliates (collectively SCE) would like to collect a report about the software problem that occurred on your PS Vita system. The report will include information about your use of this system as well as information about your hardware and software. It may alos include personal information such as your Sony Entertainment Network account information, conteat saved on your PS Vita system and your e-mail address, if this information was being used on your PS Vita system at the time of the problem.” it allow you to leave any comment before sending the report and like i said before sony can get information on you with their system.

  12. cain kirisgai says:

    not only that he said VHBL still runs on it you just cant copy over a newer one so if it was already on the vita then it can still be ran (that is if i didn’t read it wrong)

    • HIMFan says:

      Neur0n is just showing what Wololo already explained. That if it was already there, it still works. He didn’t defeat it anymore than Wololo or anyone else that tested a PSP game exploit that was never released.

  13. Chasez671 says:

    These security measures are just ridiculous! I didn’t know Sony was this paranoid when I decided to buy this Vita. Next time Sony comes out with a new Handheld, you can be sure that I’m not gonna buy it!

  14. ThAt_GuY says:

    Its Neur0n, you can believe or hope its really.

  15. James Way says:

    I jumped the gun and updated before getting vhbl on the vita… Oh wells. Nothing is hackproof, I’m networking, I’ll leave the hacking to the better minds and enjoy ff7 till then. Keep up the good work Wololo, Neur0n and the rest. I’m sure VHBL will be on it soon, until then, I got 10 psone games on my vita, Chrono cross doesn’t transfer =(, and I’ll enjoy them until then. Fyi the games listed on the store are sure to work, the rest can be transferred, but may or may not work. When I first updated, I got ff7 on it, and the button mapping was not working in game. It was the ps3 version that I transferred via CM, all other games worked fine that I had on my ps3. The store was down during the day from my vita, so I tried at 10pm again and the store was up, FF7 was listed, downloaded it again from psn to the vita and now it is fine. Some features are ehhh not so great, but the option to use them or not is there. I’ll keep them on as it may come in handy, but I’m personally happy with the update. When VHBL comes to it, I’ll have some psone games and some snes emulators ready to load. I hope chrono trigger works, but I am still sad chrono cross isn’t being “read” by CM as a ps classic to be transferred to even check if it works.

  16. ienmity says:

    Maybe the age of android has spoiled me, but I like being able to use my device as I see fit. I had the intention of doing this when I bought the vita, thinking it was going to be another device I could use to read books and watch movies on while on the go and save my phones battery. It feels like I bought the vita, but I don’t own it. At this point, I’m just going to throw it on Ebay and use the money to buy the Google Nexus tablet. If Sony keeps going down the road they are headed, it’s going to fail.

    • wololo says:

      You are in the situation I was in when I got my first PSP. It was so obvious to me that installing a pdf reader, or decent movie player would be possible on the device, that I didn’t even bother checking on websites at the time to check that it was completely locked down (I had never really owned a console before, so I didn’t know they had these kinds of limitations).

  17. Sakuryu says:

    Can you switch over without a Memory card in? Ie boot up, switch, turn off, put the card back in?

  18. Sakuryu says:

    Sorry for double, I haven’t updated to 1.80 because I wanna get the ninja before I go on so I can’t test this I personally would love to play on my japanese and my american accounts

  19. Darcio says:

    I knew sony would not facilitate anything, but if you remember what happened when they took the ps3 linux, the racks were to break beyond the protection then sony will pay equal with the vita just listen to what I talking about!

  20. TheBudds says:

    I have two accounts due to Sony not letting you turn a sub account into a main. Left no other choice, I created a second account to finally have a main account. Sadly, all my ps1 games are on my sub account :(

    Both accounts are mine, I’m not trying to work angles or loopholes or anything. I would simply like a feature that the almost 7 year ps3 has.

    I.E. Mutliple accounts and the ability to use them freely.

    • wololo says:

      Yup, completely agree, I have games that I purchased with real money on both a JP and French accounts, not trying to screw anyone over, just trying to play the game I paid for, and Sony is making that exceptionally difficult on the vita.

  21. Evilmarx says:

    Maybe coldberg will help us to create a hack for vita as wololo mentioned that he contact coldberg.

  22. jd20dog says:

    you can not screen shot some ps1 games
    threads of fate gives this message when trying
    “you cannot take a screenshot of this screen”

  23. Evilmarx says:

    Wololo as i mentioned on my late comment if we could decode the vita to transfer a games downloaded from other account to play and share it on free downloaded site. So again is there any other ways to do so? Or maybe create a patch for cma to validate other games from deferent accounts to transfer on your present account? if the vhbl you guys created are posible to run on vita then why this concern of mine will not be possible? of maybe coldberg will help us..

  24. Karma_Darkly says:

    this is upsetting.

  25. Shadow2436 says:

    I have notice that my battery drains a whole lot faster now i use to get about 5-8 hours of game play now my battery drops more than half just browsing around

  26. Multiboy2k says:

    Wololo,
    I PM’d you over a month ago telling you that all of this was going to happen. I even tried to tell you in a subtle manner that vhbl was not going to work directly upon the release of 1.80.
    You may disagree with me here, but sometimes it actually is best to release what you have.
    Sony is a billion dollar company. They are very very smart when they need to be.

    • wololo says:

      In hindsight, it would probably have been better to release VHBL on 1.69, and release another one on 1.80. But at the time 1.80 was announced, nobody could predict that “1.80 release in Summer” would mean “end of August”, and nobody could predict there would be changes impacting VHBL in 1.80, when all the previous firmwares let it work perfectly fine.

      So, nobody could have guessed we would have to wait for so long, and that the result would be additional work. But fear not, a solution is in progress.

  27. MGB says:

    That’t why its hidden :)

  28. feno says:

    Hey Wololo I have a big questoin for you should I update the firmware or not because I want ps1 but I want homebrew :(

    • Hihi says:

      Sir, how are you going to get the VHBL hacked game if you can’t access PSN on 1.69? Unless you’re on 1.67 with a previous VHBL go ahead and update.

  29. Gui says:

    Off topic a little. But are you able to transfer data from 1 memory card to another without having to re download stuff on a new memory card? I’m going to need to up mine soon.

    • jamesssss says:

      Forgot to say, if it is a simple memory card upgrade just use the backup/restore option in CMA to your laptop or PS3.

  30. TheBudds says:

    What’s sad is that while trying to tell people about this and what happened with me. I got told that I was either trying to “exploit the system” or couldn’t read the EULA (even though I told them both of my accounts are the same region)

    For the psp/vita I have a good amount of games spread between my two accounts. What’s even more sad is how we discovered the debug firmware allows for such a feature I’m searching for. Raptr claims that one of my accounts alone beats out the other members, and Sony doesn’t want me to enjoy my games :(

    • wololo says:

      Yup, basically that’s the problem of being a minority, everybody will discard your use case with things such as “nobody wants to do that”.
      Story of my life since I moved to Japan, everything I want to do in the digital world is seen as “suspicious”. Examples:

      – Blizzard almost banned my Diablo3 account because I am playing on a Japanese IP address with my friends in France, on the european server. I had to send a copy of both a French AND Japanese ID.
      – I have a French credit card but can’t use it on the Japanese PSN. When I created a French account on my PS3 in order to be able to buy stuff, all the European specific features of the PS3 (buying movies, vidzone, etc…) rejected my IP
      – There was a backend issue when I first tried to purchase a Vita game with my JP account. When I complained to customer service, based on my name and the fact that I complained in English, they immediately assumed I was trying to purchase a JP game while living in the US, and told me I shouldn’t do that.

      When you have a use case that a bit atypical, most people will assume that you are trying to do something illegal. As I mentioned a while ago, I can’t watch my legally owned French DVDs on my Japanese PS3. If I want to watch the movies I purchased, on that device, I have to rip them, which is illegal in many countries. When I mentioned that in an interview to Kotaku, some commenters on that site assumed I enjoy pirating movies.

      • jamesssss says:

        Sony have made this a mess, I am slightly different but have a similar problem. I am UK based but have studied Japanese for years to the point that I have enough understanding to play games without a problem or translation.

        Why I am I not allowed to take advantage of this? I have a thing for rhythm games as in the type you punch the heck out of you controller for not the crappy Nintendo Wii or Kinect style games. Japan is the only place you can get these style games from nowadays, and to be honest I prefer the music than European type games, but Sony think i shouldn’t be playing them.

        I don’t see the problem, they are never going to release these games out of Japan so where is the harm in me paying (normally through the nose) to play them in the UK? in fact in some games (Final Fantasy for example) I would prefer to play them in Japanese as I generally prefer the voices and emotions being portrayed in the there version.

        I am thinking more and more at going back to PC based gaming, its less BS and more playtime which is what we all are here for at the end of the day.

  31. Rj says:

    Soooooo only allowed to download one thing at a time now. ***!?!?!?!?!?! I liked baxkground downloading

  32. feno says:

    Hey Wololo I have a big questoin for you should I update the firmware or not because I want ps1 but I want homebrew

  33. No1 says:

    When someone gets “punched in the face”, it is expected that they try to protect themself. After seeing the huge hacks on PSP, i would say that it is expected to see something like CMA.

    I dont really see what the big deal is with CMA either, it works fine for what it is suppose to do. Seems to me like you’re frustrated with VHBL being blocked, Wololo, and went because of this?

    • No1 says:

      “Vent because of this”, not “went”. Sorry, was a typo :)

    • wololo says:

      Nope, I criticized CMA and its limitations from day 1, that had nothing to do with VHBL. The same goes for this new limitation, which is being criticized by many websites.
      Also if you look around you will see that independently of hacking, most Vita owners are extremely annoyed at yet-another limitation on the Vita. To a point where even the most extreme sony fanboy nests are also publishing articles wondering if CMA is really worth the hassle.

      I am also preparing an article explaining how your Vita will turn into a brick the day Sony goes bankrupt.

      • No1 says:

        What is the limitation? CMA can transfer files from and to the Vita, that is the main function of this app. I’ve only used it a few times myself, but it worked fine then. It took a bit time to do the transfer of a bigger game, but that is a very minor thing in my opinion. Other than that it worked fine from my usage with it.

        That CMA wont allow unauthorized files to copied over isnt really a surprise to me. What features are you missing from it (that is excepted from a closed system)?

        About the annoyed people, i guess you’re referring to the memorycard stuff? I’ve yet to see any non-hack websites complaining about the updated CMA at least.

        About the Vita brick article, i guess you mean if the servers shut down? That goes for all digital download, but i’m looking forward to see what you mean with Vita only being a brick if Sony goes bankrupt :)

      • Devilmarx says:

        Sony must realize that with the hacked psp they sell a billions of psp system. How could any ps vita users or other people trying to buy a system like ps vita if they read the news about vitas ristrictions.

        • No1 says:

          PSP being hacked definitelly helped the sales of PSP hardware indeed. But the problem was more on the software side. The console business is mostly set up to make profits from games and accessories sales. They dont make much money on the hardware itself.

          Maybe someone will release a completely open handheld platform in the future sometimes, but that will probably be much more expencive when they have to make money from the hardware. If Vita should be an open platform, i think it would cost at least $350, maybe even $400 or higher.

  34. No1 says:

    I dont understand why people buy something and complain later on that it is not an open system etc.. I could understand it more if it was like 7-8 years ago, but today “everyone” have internet access, so its really easy to look up this type of stuff before you buy something.

    With the memorycard change in firmware 1.80, i can see some of the complaints around this. But i’m mostly referring to the comments that are about “i thought it could this and that”. Why not check up on this before buying it?

  35. Samir says:

    Wololo have you tried to transfer vhbl files with open cma?

  36. rofl says:

    damn when the debug FW got easy switch account..
    retail FW got *** and the pain inflicted doubled :(

  37. ChemDog says:

    “but beware, everything that’s brown is not always made of chocolate… ” I laughed so hard when I read that.

  38. TheBudds says:

    It would be a whole lot different if in fact it’s Sony’s own rules which sc*** me over. I had no other choice to make a second account for a main due to Sony own rules. Now thanks to that, Sony wants me to buy their overpriced memory cards due to their own decisions.

    Also, mutliple account usage is still in effect on the ps3 and the debug version of the vita firmware. So your comment of people saying “I thought I can do this and that” and your argument is pretty void. For Sony, account switching and usage is a normal feature for them.

  39. Miguel says:

    I think that we should all start bugging Sony to let us merge account purchases or licenses for purchased content…. I know there are lots of ppl that have purchases on different accounts.

  40. Demix says:

    I like the idea of crosscontroller feature on PS Vita sadly from what I heard it wont be on LBP2 till this November. Don’t care about PS one games but PS2 would’ve been awesome. However when I bought PS vita I was expecting big titles like God of War or Infamous not 1 mini game each week. Now the Sony is putting features that should’ve been there since launch? Sony shouldnt make people pay twice for PSP games you have on UMD’s and now must have them digital. I have PS vita for 1 main reason LBP coming out this September.

  41. El Cut says:

    Hi Wololo, first of all sorry for my english (not native), but this was a feature thas was there sinces the begining of the vita and is´t new, so all the sites about gaming are crying about it.

    I don´t like $ONY much as you and the way to exchange acounts without formating the memory was like a trick discover by some guy, this time they don´t do anything new.

    just saying.

    • wololo says:

      The problem is that most customers don’t read what is, or is not, supported. It dos not matter that Sony never said it would work, the thing is, it used to work, and many gamers lost some important data (savegames, etc…) because of this change, which is not reversible. Once they realized they were losing their data, there was no way to “go back”, or say “cancel”. People who had several accounts with savedata, on the same card, basically got sc*** because of this one way or another.

  42. Minimur says:

    I dont like how when you download a file from the browser it uses the whole screen rather than background downloading which is really annoying,i know it makes it download faster but tbh id rather wait another 2/5mins

  43. Dissapointed guy says:

    Same with me to.

  44. Yol Morefi says:

    Notice the new download system that sucks too much, I wish I could downgrade ma psV just for that.

  45. OMightyBuggy says:

    I agree on this being my last Sony system.

  46. CATPowah says:

    Yeah, buy PS4 and you got even stricter rules. Far worse than any device that ever created. PS Vita has lots of potential and Sony just ignore that fact and put some more s**t in it. I think PSV too will be my last console next to PSP.

  47. CATPowah says:

    Somehow I agree with you.

  48. No1 says:

    If it flop and die, you wont get any more games for it.

  49. TheBudds says:

    It has been disabled through the browser now.

  50. No1 says:

    The last paragraph is more generally speaking to everyone.

  51. No1 says:

    I see, thanks for the answer. If Sony should go bankrupt, they could always release an updated version of CMA that doesnt require internet access. It is already possible with OpenCMA. But luckily we already have OpenCMA, so it shouldnt be much of a problem. At least there is a solution :)

    About the non hackin websites, i didnt say that you were lying, not at all. All i said was that i havnt seen any other sites who wrote about the CMA update, so i was indirectly asking for sources to this. I searched on i.e Wired now, and i only see mentions of the memorycard changes, i dont see any mention of the CMA update. I fully understand that sites would pick up on this issue, but i dont see why the CMA update is affecting anyone except the homebrew stuff.

  52. No1 says:

    Sorry, i think there has been a misunderstanding. When i was earlier talking about articles and CMA, i was only referring to the latest CMA update. I didnt see why many websites would write an article on this. I’m pretty sure that there has been articles about CMA when it first came out, i dont doubt that :)

  53. No1 says:

    No problem :) I see now that you ment articles about CMA when it first came out. I remember seeing talk about that on NeoGAF for example, so you’re definitelly right about that.

  54. wololo says:

    apologies, this is right. The CMA update is indeed only affecting us negatively, for most other users this will have no impact

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