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Famous PS3/Vita developer SKFU just announced on his blog that he is running a donation drive to get a Vita development kit. Those “kits”, if my understanding is correct, contain a debug device (a special version of the Vita that can run unsigned code), as well as afull SDK and documentation. In the case of the PSP, access to those kits helped dramatically to hack the device, according to SKFU.
They are fairly expensive though (2000 euros), and since SKFU says he has no intent to actually use the kit for anything else than helping the scene, he is asking for the community’s financial contribution to the project. He has also plans (that are kept under wraps due to the legal risk for his contact who will be acquiring the development kit) to give access to that devkit to a number of trusted devs, in order to make fast progress on vita hacking.
So what do you guys think? Are we touching the gray area of hacking here, or is it a fair way to access more knowledge about the Vita? Either way, feel free to donate to SKFU for his project, by checking his blog post here.
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well he could have used locker links to achieve this amount as each link pays 5usd and cost no real money to the one donating…
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I think this is an awesome idea, and i will be donating plenty to support this idea. There has to be some place to start, and this may be it. Good idea.
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Just made a little donation, I hope it’ll help.
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as long as he does not break his contract it should be all good ^_-
SKFU you have my support ^___^
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Just sent a donation. I hope he gets enough to buy the kit
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Just donated two pennies hope it helps
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No it doesn’t. Paypal takes about 1$ in fee on all transactions so you will pay a bit and skfu will not see the money.
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As soon as I get some money on my PayPal i will donate. I would donate the entire amount if I had it As for the grey area I’m just concerned of Sony and devs abandoning it like the psp
But two questions:
1) How do I donate when he is asking for Euros (I’m US)
2) I called Sony awhile back and said The dev kits would be free for indie devs. Is this true because my company could get one and give it out.-
1) Paypal will do the conversion for you, taking US dollars from your credit card, and giving SKFU euros. Just make sure you don’t donate more than you think you are.
2) They are not the same dev kits. The “free” dev kits are for the playstation Suite, and will actually cost a subscription of 100$ a year.-
Actually there was an article that said that sony had given the psvita dev kit to some indie studios free of cost(not the suite).
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I personally believe that this is a bad idea.
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why do you think Sony could react ?
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It could kill us indie devs and make them not want to spend money to bring over ps1 games and extra features, comparability.
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I agree, but I don’t think there’s any real risk apart from that
Then indeed having the PSVita fully hacked is too soon for now
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+1, also, getting information from a devkit kills all the fun.
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You want buy a Devkit to a Sceners ? Giving It To Proxima, Some1 Or Davee !
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It would be funny if his contact was GeoHot. For those who don’t know, GeoHot got sued by Sony.
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I heard they dropped the case in return for him showing them how he hacked the ps3 and that he works for Facebook now.
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GeoHot signed a non disclosure deal that makes it so he can never hack sony again. he still out there people, dont hate on him cuz he got outted for helping everyone!!
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what i see is a sony releasing a beast locked with no plan to revolution the os of it and only wish to profit by the hardware and by releasing each future step by step…
so yeay to pass to the grey area of psvita -
Donated 5 euros. I hope this helps. Can we get updates on how much is donated and how much you need.
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I haven’t got the psp at launch,but if Sony handled it as the vita than the “pirate haters” who state that hacking the psp killed the system are death wrong.It is not gray at all it might make me not regret buying it.
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It didn’t die by hacking it died because of the lack of controls,
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Lack of dual-sticks neutered first person style games and the PSone games. PS2/PS3 ports suffered even worse (the limited shoulder buttons). But, I heard that the super easy piracy scared many developers off (apparently, the system suffered from very poor software sales?), I think it was more do to lacking quality of said software.
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Well better him instead of bringing the dongle guys to the scene???
At least if SKFU find a major Sony mistake and take advantage of it we’ll get homebrews not piracy only -
Donated €5. I don’t care about the ethics of this, I just want to make/play some vita homebrews!
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a friend of mine said this isn’t necessary he says “hackers could reverse all the chips”, or “just have to probe the chip with wires to get unencrypted memory.”
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Your friend assumes we have access to hardware that costs closer to 10000$ rather than 2000$. About the wires thing, your friend should get a bit of documentation about the evolution of the motherboards on the psp, before he talks for nothing.
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I doubt there’s something stacked on top of the arm to stop me from probing it for raw memory. Any tricks inside the chip to stop it is futile.
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In 6 years in the scene, I’ve seen CPU decap being discussed an awful lot for the PSP, and nobody ever did it. I’ve always assumed the reason was money. I don’t see what would make the PS Vita any different. There’s a difference between what is theoretically doable, and what actually happens. Hardware hackers have access to oscilloscopes, JTAG probing devices, usb sniffers. but they don’t have the funds needed to do a proper decap of the vita’s CPUs, I believe.
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^^Hate to hear this…
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Correct. I figure this will only be feasible under two conditions.
1 I have enough money to buy many, many vitas / enough to run the slicer/debug station
and 2 given that the vita hasn’t been hacked enough to warrant getting the keys manually.In any case, I’m far, far a back-up plan, if anything.
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Might I add to this that a lot of vita’s would be destroyed in the process of this method, for anyone thinking it’s simple. But that’s the least of the complexity in the process, lol.
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Woah hardware master hacker here
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wooow what a good news. thank’S to all the scene. thanks wololo for this website
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I know for a fact geohot is dying to hack the vita.
skfu has done some things that tell me ,when he asks for donations
the donations dont go where he says.kind of shady just like he did in the ps3 scene.-
Can you share details? I am open to discussion on the subject, but need some kind of proof.
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An example would be like a few months back he wanted donations and for people to give him ideas for an app for vita, im sure you remember that.
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Aren’t you mixing things up? He asked for donations for some of his hacking tools on the vita. His promise was simple and I believe he kept his words: If X people donate I’ll release the next version.
Now, about the “ideas” contest, this has nothing to do with donations, he asked people for ideas about Playstation suite applications they’d like to see, and e said he would give away a game to the best idea. Not sure if that happened, but the donations and his contest are not connected.I am personally not a big fan of “donate or I won’t publish the next release”, but I think SKFU was clear and honest on that, it’s actually a good way to see if there is some interest for the tool, and if it’s worth pursuing. The donation drive for the devkit, this time, is on a larger scale. I don’t know many hackers who could afford such a kit individually, and ask nothing in return.
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maybe i just see a trend with him.
maybe you can contact geohot privately.
he can afford it but he can’t touch it. -
@hisfriend,wololo,davee,some1,m0skit0,other devs
I like hardware hacking talks very much and would like to get knowledgeable at all this. Does anyone recommend a book or something I can read about all these things? I am already at university doing a business course, otherwise I’d enter electrical engineering or somehing. But can this be learned on my own? Thank you.
PS: Not only for hacking, but various projects, like this, for example: (silly example) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQ5LsNMXZ4
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I will not donate. I never put trust on SKFU, he want money for every release and I never saw seriousness in his work. The Vita has few games and few support by software-houses for now and it need time to have the necessary trust to decide to planning more game releases; if it will be hacked soon, the software-houses will stay away from our console. Vita isn’t a mature console, it has 7 months of life and seems that a lot of people pretend to use it like an hacked PSP. It’s too soon to reveal or gave public some hard hacks (good job here Davee) and SKFU want to rush buying an official devkit (and for me they are only words for now). I always support the hacking with moderation (I hate to have a device locked by his house, I like to have it unlocked to gain full performance), I had my PSP hacked from years (the downgrade from 2.71 to 1.50, the devhook… ah, good days) and I’m still on 1.61 on my Vita with Everybody’s tennis, but this time I won’t support the idea of SKFU. It isn’t hacking, it’s just have half of the works done (lazy hackers are not hackers).
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In general, I strongly disagree. I understand if people hack for knowledge and proof there concept with some code. But paying a hacker to hack, in essence its this. I don’t like. Whats next exploit only to donators ? Then next step is dongles to hack vita ? Its prolly not his meaning, but from what I read it can’t be sure.
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if you can hack it without knowing almost anything about CPU, RAM, file system specifics, go ahead
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Sure it is. You just gotta do some deep research
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And it will take a thousand hours of “deep research” which no one has because they have a *******life.
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If that’s what you think…
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Alot of you are being dumb. If you do not want to donate then don’t. I love my vita using super collapse 3 hack. Love playing the old emulators. I also bought some games for Vita(Disgaea, Army corp so I support the system) Playing emulators adds 1000′s of games to the system. By buying this dev kit will allow modders to leap ahead in there understanding of the system. Unlock the system to its full potential. Not for pirating(wololo does not support) but because it is fun and helps us play homebrew.
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hey wololo, I just noticed that SKFU has put a counter of the current donations
check it out-
Hehe, yeah, he did because I told him some people on my blog said it would be useful
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Just donated €1.40
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I won’t be donating, SKFU hasn’t got the ability to hack the PSV, devkit or not. Just my opinion but SKFU always struck me as blowing smoke when it came to his coding ability and some of his hacking related statements in the past have been absolute comedy.
Good luck SKFU, I hope you prove me wrong, I somehow doubt it tho
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I don’t entirely disagree, although his plan here is to share the devkit with other people.
He also has good contacts, and some hardware skills. It’s not all about his software abilities
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With all of the amazon ads and spamming on this site u should be able to buy this dev kit no problem eh wololo?
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lol, You need a reality check if you think this site regularly makes 2000 euros in advertising. So how about you open your own blog, put some ads on it, and come back when you made your first 10 euros, so that you can talk about something you know?
It’s not only that too. Sony does not sell the devkit to anybody, you have to have some sort of game company structure. SKFU knows people who do work for such a company, I don’t. Finally, even if I had that devkit, I wouldn’t have the necessary free time to put that stuff to good use.
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U and your precious time, been saying that for the past few years…okay we GET IT YoUR A NERD WITH A LIFE GONGRATS!!!
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You know, it’s no surprise, I basically got busy when my wife got pregnant and asked me to stop fooling around with my PSP
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oh thats right we have archive you 0___0
we should probably wait till wololo 2.0 is out of beta tho
(or at least out of alpha)
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Ahem sorry about that had a rough week
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if you think SKFU is fooling around, then don’t effing donate..
in my case, i can’t donate even if i want to.
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I would donate but I’m broke at the moment, i am curious as to what will happen after this dev kit is purchased. and wololo you haven’t been on gweber in quite some time. lol just to put it out there.
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Why is it that so many people want geohot to do the hacks. He already agreed on avoiding getting busted by not hacking anymore sony hardware, so why think he could get away with it now if he couldnt before?
Also I hope the upcoming vhbl is what I was hoping for (Patapon). I just got nothing else that is logical to port that I have.
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Patapon was patched more than 2 years ago, why on Earth do you think anybody is looking for hacks in that game?
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179,47€ / 2000,00€ == 8,95% done!
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Not that bad considering he made the fund raiser a few days ago.
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I want to use such a cheat thing ^^
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The only bad idea, was sony putting guantanamo bay software on a tablet with dual analogs. The latest release of Pro c ad hoc addition proves that sony never intended to offer the best anyway, and to get the most out of YOUR machine you need to rely on software by anyone but them. Expect that from the vitas future ofw’s, horse manure. Keep up the good work scene guys, yall are awesome, it’s much appreciated!
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Off topic but whats a really super amazing free to both download and use, antivirus/ registry cleaner? Any advice helps thx.
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Try CCleaner
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Just donated 10€
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@Wololo,
I’m not very active myself in the playstation scene…
I’ve done some small things here and there and I’m well known in certain area’s of the 360 scene but all of that aside.
Upon lurking for hours upon hours on playstation based websites/blogs/forums over the past few years I haven’t really seen the name SKFU come up to much unless it was something that he could program with ease ( Source for other projects already being released, keys to decrypt things already being out there ).
So basically what I’m trying to say is ( I’m trusting your word on the answer to this question because as far as the work I’ve seen from you and others you work with I do trust your word ) do you really think he’ll make the full use of having a devkit?
Do you really think that it’s going to be that simple to just debug a system at a kernel level (even on a devkit) when it’s most likely going to be protected due to the previous hacking attempts even devkit xbox360′s still needed to be jtaged to have the ability to do certain things such as kernel modification…
Not to mention I don’t think it’s too likely that with that the initial glitch or jtag hacks for the 360 were found via having a devkit in the first place.
What I’m getting at here is I have the funds where I could make this happen for him but I have a lack of trust for the PS3 scene I believe there was someone else recently who said they were going to by a devkit ps3 and help out with hacking that scene and yatta yatta.
Shortly after I also recall their blog just closing randomly after I’d contributed $500 USD to the cause.
I just want someone’s word who I know of from the scene that this is going to happen that if it were your money you’d personally trust it in his hands and to know it’s going to the right cause.
Now by saying “it’s going to happen”, I of course don’t mean the vita being hacked just because this bundle of new utilities and information is at one team’s disposal but rather would trust he’s not going to buy me new retail consoles, hookers, or whatever his fancy may be.
And I also understand where you’re coming from with the whole I’ve got no time for these things anymore, Family comes first before hobbies, business, or the like.
I myself am in a similar position with a pregnant fiance and having to work constantly I just want some sort of confirmation that the money that could be going to my soon to be child is actually going to a proper cause.
If I wasn’t in the situation where work and my fiance populate my life I probably would’ve gotten into the vita hacking scene long ago and probably produced something considering I’ve got the contacts to get the devkit myself.
Which brings me to a final question which is I could get a devkit and ship it to him, however under those circumstances I wouldn’t want to find out later on he’s just using it for his own personal gain rather then research ( I.E. Just making an SNES emulator and using it on this brand new shiny devkit he’s got, then maybe releases it with not potential way of even running the crap on the ps vita for retail users ).
Sorry for the long rant but get back to me whenever you’ve got the time man I’d appreciate it and I wouldn’t mind supporting the cause if I know the money nor the system are falling into the appropriate/right hands and not some jack off.
P.S. Sorry for any typos as well I typed this out from my Asus Transfromer Prime, as the fiance is sleeping and my desktop is in the room.
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Hi DeadlyData, those are perfectly fine concerns.
The only thing I can answer is that I never personally worked with SKFU, so I cannot give my word on his reliability.I know he has some knowledge on the PS3 and the vita, but I don’t know if any of that knowledge ever led to something actually useful (he has released a few tools that do work, though).
His plan is to share the devkit with other devs whose names are undisclosed, so I don’t know if that can be trusted either. His personal software skills are limited from what I could see (he compensates with good skills in network and hardware), but if the kit ends in the right hands through his sharing system, that could be really useful.Again, I agree that there are lots of “fishy” things around this donation drive, and even if I discussed with SKFU to give more details, I don’t think there’s much he can do to prove his good faith until the devkit is actually here…
The problem with getting the devkit is less the money than having the right contacts with Sony, and it seems SKFU has that.
What I would do is donate an aount you would not “regret” wasting, and see what happens. If SKFU is honest, he will either give the money back if the donation request fails, or prove quickly that it is correclty used if he gets the required money. If he his dishonest about this, his reputation will go down the toilet (which I personally think is not worth 2000 euro
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I donated 2 euro
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the pic on his BlogPost is from Deadmau5, so maybe he is geting the kit from Deadmau5?
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Lol @ nonsense.
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@wololo,
I’d consider that the best answer you could give as it seems a lot more experienced people in the scene haven’t really heard of him.But the same goes with myself and the xbox-scene the more underground people usually tend to have the best contacts and don’t enjoy the spotlight very often.
I honestly wouldn’t regret the 2,000 Euros it’s just a matter of with my budget that could go to better things then my personal hobby of believing information and technology should be freed to it’s full extent.
My fiance wouldn’t mind me doing such either as she fully supports any of my hobbies when it comes to things like this.
I’ll wait for the next few days and see how things are going on his blog if he addresses any of the concerns I’ve had.
And I’ll ask him for some other details such as providing pictures of the Devkit (Maybe the seller would provide him with such a thing for public viewing as long as no unique id’s or identifiers are posted) just to be sure he’s not running of to do other things with those funds.
The reputation he has imo is a to little for him to be doing a fund raiser of this kind as well, if it were someone like you or various other devs in the scene I’d gladly fund it.
But you gotta take risks once in awhile and I guess this is one of those points where you do or you don’t, considering I myself don’t have the time and I’d love to look into development for the VITA in the future I’d love for it to be looked into more.
So as I said in the begging of this I’ll have to wait it out for awhile and make my final choice on whether or not to give a big lump sum of cash to finish the funding or just back away due to my concerns.
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Fund it man!
or get one and have someone else share it around.
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You said that you got contacts and can get the devkit yourself and you wouldn’t mind spending 2,000 Euros to the things you want(not so sure about the “My fiance wouldn’t mind”,2000 Euros is a big money to spend onto something not family related)
I say get the devkit yourself and give it to someone you trust.With that, you will also have access to the devkit, whenever you feel like looking into it
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Split the cost with DeadlyData who posted above.
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Wait… Never mind. I just realized what I did. Lol.
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wow I hope you do donate the money I believe SKFU. And am looking forward to future hacking of the vita. I hope all goes well between you two.
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Yeah, I also hope other people donate so that I don’t have to donate myself, and can still get my vita hacked…
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lol, it happens sadly its the reason people turn to piracy. I’m just hoping for homebrew and other features and hacks made by hackers to make the vita better.
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You liar…u know deep down inside your a filthy prate like the rest of us.
Arggh!!!
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I pirate when I am unsure everything else i buy mostly programs i pirate i buy my video games though.
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ive been reading alot about this cev kit since march-april of last year sony saying this kit is signifily lower priced than the other consoles dev kits and that they encourage “garage devs” to make games, do u really think sony will make this dev kit fully exploitable for the low price of $2000, i mean im sure they are confident in there security mabey thier dev kis are fairly limited also, like limited cpu speed ..like the playstation suite
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..and as inexploitable i mean easy to readhow the vita works,mabey the kit uses some kind of sandbox emu and will be useless to skfu and other devs making this donation a waste of time and money
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For me, I just want to use any home-brew apps that all. I do not care it can play pirate games or not however if it can be true that would be the greatest thing.
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The vita will most likely need a dongle :*-(
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You know what, given the strange form factor of some of the I/O (usb connection, etc…) of the vita, I am thinking that yes, service mode on the vita is probably accessed by leveraging some of the unused pins in there…
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k That would be cool if we can somehow inject code using the USB port using the proprietary USB cord, kind of like cut the end off…well u get it (kind of like the cobra dongle;)
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Blah that’ll never work lol
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So we’re gonna donate to SKFU only to have him tell us he won’t be releasing any of his hacks once he gets his dev Vita? LMAO!
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How’s the progress going with the fund raiser wololo, how much has been raised so far?
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325 Euros out of 2000 Euros. I wish i could give more.
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@Wololo
You should add me on MSN zack6925(@)gmail(dot)com.
I’ve got a slight gift to give you if you still play PS3/and now that you’ve updated your VITA ( to everyone else I know this is off topic to the thread but I figured it’d be worth mentioning).
Wololo, I’m sure you’ll enjoy this but I can’t talk about it in public.
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ooo, im intrigued a bit… Deadly have you decided to donate the rest of the funds to get the dev kit? just curious.
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@auron,
In recent light of the contact with the “anonymous” dev (tony) as wololo called him.I feel that I should wait to see what comes of his release or wololo’s testing of his exploitation…
Due to the fact SKFU doesn’t seem experienced and we’re not allowed to know the facts behind which developer’s and or hackers he’ll be sharing the devkit with.
Not to mention their skills and things they’ve done in the past also he still hasn’t addressed any concern I’ve posted here.
Which makes me tend to think he’s really just sitting around waiting to rack up money no longer reading forums/blogs and just blowing everyone off with it.
I don’t want the excuse “That’s because he’s too busy hacking the VITA” it’s more over if you’re not a scene player enough to read around to see if someone has jumped the gun before you or made progress.
Then you’re not in the game at all…
There’s a slight chance that if he doesn’t have the funds by the begging of next month I might do it because that’s when my next hefty paycheck comes.
But until then I’ve got a kid on the way, going to be moving out of where I’m living and I’m best off to save the money.
Things would be a bit different if he was even able to show the slightest progress hacking the VITA as is but he hasn’t managed to do more then code PC apps which are relatively easy to do.
So my question to ask you all is if he can’t even make slight progress in hacking the retail VITA what is he going to do with a devkit if it’s protected as well?
Yes it allows him to run unsigned code, yes he’ll be able to code his own apps because of such.
The real question here is though, Will he have access to the kernel? That’s a maybe.
What would it take even if he had access to the kernel?
Well he’d have to find an exploit of sorts and even in doing so hope the devkit kernel/OS isn’t too much differed from the retail because if so it may be impossible if not hard as hell to port it to a retail version.And btw most devkit kernels are different from retail versions starting with offsets and going into functionality…
Such as the fact they’ll have backround services like a debugger running.
Now if someone like Wololo was to ask for funds towards a devkit and proved he’d found some crash in the retail vita covering suddle details which would allow sony to figure out how it was done.
I’d be on it like a dog on a bone funding the project 100% due to the fact that in order to re-simulate that crash and to know what exactly is going on behind the doors then a devkit would be necessary ( for debugging purposes ).
Other then that SKFU is just asking for one with not very many details provided about what his intentions are other then “research” and *attempting* to hack the vita.
Which in the end might just turn out bad for everyone who’s donated to the project when you get something such as “Sony updated and the bypass for the software license that expires has stopped working meaning useless devkit”.
Or even “I wasn’t able to find anything” after a few days to a month ( Which may mean he spent the money and never bought one )
Or worst of all claims he has an exploit and says he doesn’t want to release it due to the community constantly nagging at him or him not wanting to get sued by sony or blah blah blah the shit goes on.
At this point and time it just seems like a risk I’m not willing to take and I think in light of the comments above others would agree with me on this.
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