Sony settles court case with George Hotz

The lawsuit initiated by Sony against hackers is now over, as “The parties reached an agreement in principle on March 31, 2011.” As part of the agreement, Geohot “consented to a permanent injunction.”, which basically means, as far as I understand, that he agreed to stop distributing his files used for the PS3 jailbreak (which, although I’m not a lawyer, means that we still don’t know if distributing those is legal or not, just that one guy on Earth is not allowed to distribute them).

Legally, Geohot is not allowed to talk about the case, the settlement, or even his opinion on the subject. This makes many people pissed at him, as they believe he simply gave up… The fact that the settlement contents cannot be disclosed doesn’t help him, as it makes imagination the limit, and some people now accuse him of stealing their money (from donations), giving up the fight, or even accepting a huge pile of cash from Sony.

Although he can’t directly talk about it, George Hotz has posted a few comments on his blog that are still convincing me that something good might be coming, or maybe something “more important” than a fight between a Hacker and a corporation. Am I the only one dreaming of having Sony lobbying in favor of interoperability in the future?

The settlement surely is a bad surprise, but George Hotz’s history with the iPhone makes me believe he (or at least his lawyers) knows what he’s doing.

Below are the quotes from Geohot, taken from his blog:

Regarding why he doesn’t talk about it

The terms of the settlement agreement are “confidential” and the matter requires that they be “confidential”.

[...]

By contract, I cannot discuss the Action or my views regarding the Action.

[...]

I will attempt to clarify this further in upcoming posts. But if it isn’t already clarified by the work I’ve done on the iPhone, I’m not sure how much more I can convince you.

[...]

I do not like confidentiality

Regarding people thinking he stole their money by accepting donations

I will address the donations in a forthcoming post, and I think people will be happy.

[...]

I am fighting your fight, in the best way I know how. You’ll just have to trust me.

[...]

I promise you none of your money will end up in my pocket. And I haven’t set anything back at all, hilarious how you can claim I set the jailbreak movement back. I was there when it was invented. The original iPhone hackers, me included, invented the word usage.

To people who said he gave up, making the fight pointless:

It definitely was not a waste, I assure you.

Allow me to quote The Social Network:
Sean Parker: I brought down the record companies with Napster.
Eduardo Saverin: Uh, sorry. You didn’t bring down the record companies. They won.
Sean Parker: In court?
Eduardo Saverin: Yeah.
Sean Parker: Do you want to buy a Tower Records, Eduardo?

[...]

To people who think he sold his soul

As of 4/11/11, I am joining the SONY boycott. I will never purchase another SONY product.

I encourage you to do the same. And if you bought something SONY recently, return it.

Why would you not boycott a company who feels this way about you?

There is much more to come on this blog.

[...]

I think Apple actually likes their customers.

Unlike certain other companies
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit

[...]

Hilarious that anyone would even consider the idea that I would consider working for Sony. I wouldn’t work for someone I hated, no matter how much they paid me.

@XXX I believe there is a war coming that extends much much further than “is jailbreaking fair use?” and Sony.

[...]

That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that they are saving their strength for games where the refs aren’t biased and that actually have much more importance to the rest of the season. [Note from wololo: in reference to soccer players giving up in the middle of a game]

Last but not least, this one I Quote for Truth

What I’ve found in all PS3 related matters is no matter what you do, you make tons of people pissed off. You release something, people are pissed. You don’t release something, people are pissed. Sony removes OtherOS, people are pissed at YOU. You settle, people are pissed. You fight, people are pissed. You talk, people are pissed. You stay quiet, people are pissed.

The conclusion I have drawn is that PS3 fanboys are just pissed off.

And no one except me has lost any rights today.

So, well, I still have hope that something bigger is coming, although I swear I initially thought this was a joke when I read about it today…

Geohot also announced that he would be boycotting Sony’s products from now on. This happens as a protest is being organized in Sony outlets all over the world, Saturday this week. The demonstration is organized by Anonymous, and is one way to protest against Sony’s attitude towards their customers, while not disrupting the PSN, are you planning to go?

SCEA vs Hotz

Monday, April 11, 2011

Joining the SONY Boycott

As of 4/11/11, I am joining the SONY boycott. I will never purchase another SONY product.

I encourage you to do the same. And if you bought something SONY recently, return it.

Why would you not boycott a company who feels this way about you?

There is much more to come on this blog.

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Blogger MX said…
So you settled according to Sony. Did you live up to this?

“What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It’d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I’m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.”

Doesn’t sound like it.

April 11, 2011 9:06 AM
Blogger ultimatedood said…
Sure.

April 11, 2011 9:06 AM
Blogger vitorgatti said…
You have my support.
Since release of OFW 3.21 I never bought any Sony product again.

F you, Sony.

April 11, 2011 9:07 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@MX The terms of the settlement agreement are “confidential” and the matter requires that they be “confidential”.

April 11, 2011 9:07 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
What happened? PM, if you need to please.
I’m BRICK, I donated $500 towards your cause.

Please tell me all’s well, and we’re getting back our OtherOS?

April 11, 2011 9:08 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
I will address the donations in a forthcoming post, and I think people will be happy.

@BricksLamp The terms of the settlement agreement are “confidential” and the matter requires that they be “confidential”.

April 11, 2011 9:09 AM
Blogger Paul said…
A lot of people who donated because they thought you were going to take this as far as you could to further fair use & consumer rights will be disappointed.. Why did you settle? (not asking about the terms of the settlement but the grounds for it)

April 11, 2011 9:10 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Paul By contract, I cannot discuss the Action or my views regarding the Action.

April 11, 2011 9:12 AM
Blogger Paul said…
By the way, I’m a bit surprised at the comment that “the terms of the settlement agreement are ‘confidential’”. Sony posted on their blog that you agreed to a permanent injunction, surely that qualifies as “terms of the settlement”..?

April 11, 2011 9:13 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
I know, I caught that. It was posted as I was typing…
Any way I look at it, I don’t mind. It wasn’t a waste.

The DAY the PS4 comes out, I’m picking one up JUST to attempt what you started with the PS3. Freedom. I stood idly by for this one, because I’m not the best at hacking consoles, but now Sony has garnered my attention with this. I’ll make it a personal goal for PS4 w/CFW if I can.

April 11, 2011 9:14 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Paul I am bound by a permanent injunction.

April 11, 2011 9:15 AM
Blogger MX said…
Sounds like a win for Sony. Now they get no court case to prove their actions wrong. No court case, no case law, no reason to keep Sony from acting like this again.

Of course, you can’t talk about it, so we will never know.

Sure, it’s nice that it’s over and people can move on with their lives… but I just think people expected a bit more of a fight than this.

Hopefully you lived up to your aggressive postings on geohot.com.

Best wishes

April 11, 2011 9:17 AM
Blogger Paul said…
How should we read “There is much more to come on this blog” then..?

April 11, 2011 9:18 AM
Blogger Drew Vegas said…
PS4 Boycott will be upheld by those with proper knowledge. As you all may know Sony will be feeling the repercussions of their decision to litigate for years to come. They have tried to hire advanced independent employees only to have them reject the offer letters because of Geohot. Thank you for trying to challenge the Beast, geo, but in present day reality Goliath usually wins.

April 11, 2011 9:22 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@BricksLamp It definitely was not a waste, I assure you.

Allow me to quote The Social Network:
Sean Parker: I brought down the record companies with Napster.
Eduardo Saverin: Uh, sorry. You didn’t bring down the record companies. They won.
Sean Parker: In court?
Eduardo Saverin: Yeah.
Sean Parker: Do you want to buy a Tower Records, Eduardo?

April 11, 2011 9:23 AM
Blogger Eamon said…
But in the end, we don’t exactly know if jailbreaking a PS3 is legal or not (within the US at least).

April 11, 2011 9:23 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383344,00.asp

April 11, 2011 9:24 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Paul I have many things to talk about, like my dog, chickens, and how it’s very bad to use your hardware in a way the manufacturer didn’t intend.

April 11, 2011 9:26 AM
Blogger Paul said…
I wish you were right. However, the record companies are still here. Their influence on government across the globe is as real as it was a decade ago. I don’t see Sony going anywhere either and the next guy who hacks their hardware will probably face the same legal pressures you did.

April 11, 2011 9:26 AM
Blogger Night Breed said…
@George Hotz, so basically you settled for a job and took people’s money giving them a false hope of settling for their rights? What do you plan to do with the money that was donated to you to provide a cushion for the legal battle? I hope you will be paying all those people back since you obviously didn’t live up to your word. At least from the vague details you are giving out, it sounds like you got a job and fucked the scene in the process. After all terms of a settlement usually don’t remain confidential unless one or both of the parties are go under a contract. Your on a permanent injucnction but I doubt you would keep quite just for that. From the news it sounds like you are happy about this, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you got a full time or part time job with Sony. I mean hell we all know Sony will never allow official homebrew on the platform, and we all know piracy doesn’t have a goddamn thing to do with the lawsuit. That’s just Sony’s excuse to justify it.

I hope your satisfied, I’m looking forward to hearing an announcement of you refunding every single person’s donation because you obviously didn’t keep up to your end of the bargain.

April 11, 2011 9:26 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
@George Hotz

That makes me feel a lot better… and those repercussions have already been seen to a small degree…

It just dawned on me… I think I may have an idea on the settlement… >.>

April 11, 2011 9:26 AM
Blogger RMike said…
U mad bro?

April 11, 2011 9:27 AM
Blogger CheeseBiscuit said…
Hotz I paid because I thought you were fighting our fight, not just to save your own ass. Its ok it was only £10 but I feel cheated and I feel that you misrepresented yourself in your appeal. Factually thats fraud. I’m kinda putting you and Sony in the same boat now, you know false advertising , getting people to pay for a feature and removing it….etc….
Anyway thanks for your efforts and good luck and anytime you feel like repaying my £10 feel free, and just for the record I never used your hack I just paid because of what i THOUGHT you were standing for…..

April 11, 2011 9:28 AM
Blogger Night Breed said…
@George Hotz, who said ” I have many things to talk about, like my dog, chickens, and how it’s very bad to use your hardware in a way the manufacturer didn’t intend.”

Please tell me your bloody trolling. You went from diehard anti Sony who is the freedom protector to a swiveling bitch which bows down? JESUS CHRIST. Way to sell out.

April 11, 2011 9:28 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Night Breed OMG it’s a joke. Relax.

@CheeseBiscuit I am fighting your fight, in the best way I know how. You’ll just have to trust me.

April 11, 2011 9:30 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
@CheeseBiscuit and Night Breed

Ya’ll stop flaming him… if I’m right, there’s a lot more than the surface shows…
I risked the most… but I feel better than most… why is that? I’m not rich, there’s just more return than what’s showing at this time…

Am I right, Geo? :)

April 11, 2011 9:31 AM
Blogger MX said…
While it sounds bad for this to end this way, you don’t know the details so don’t complain @geohot just yet. He also said something about donators being made happy.

Give things time to settle down and wait and see what happens before we form an angry mob. ;)

April 11, 2011 9:32 AM
Blogger Rafa said…
Do you know or can you tell if the settlement also includes the failoverfl0w group? Will SCEA keep suing them?

April 11, 2011 9:33 AM
OpenID karnaj said…
Sir, I am not asking for you to say anything you can’t legally say but, this is concerning, I will take you at your word for now. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/ I would think this would be a workable precedence.

April 11, 2011 9:34 AM
Blogger Clayton Braasch said…
A lot of people will probably criticize George over donations and “losing” in court, but until we hear the terms of the settlement, I don’t think you can justify your “hate” against him. He fought for something much bigger than himself, and I feel sorry for people who don’t realize it.

“I believe in Karma. If the good is sown, the good is collected. When positive things are made, that returns well.” ~ Yannick Noah

The seeds of victory have been sown; wait for them to grow and blossom.

April 11, 2011 9:34 AM
Blogger braindef said…
I am disappointed to see these proceedings end this way. I was hoping this case would thoroughly confront the notion that a manufacturer can dictates terms of hardware usage to the consumer, and it appears that issue will have to wait.

Why is Apple not going after hackers in the same way? Isn’t this a similar issue?

April 11, 2011 9:36 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Rafa I am not allowed by the terms of the settlement agreement to discuss the Action(lawsuit)

April 11, 2011 9:37 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
All he wanted to do was close the case and end the argument. This case will affect sony bigger than they expect , in long term mostly, he tried, give him a break.

April 11, 2011 9:37 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@braindef I think Apple actually likes their customers.

Unlike certain other companies

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit

April 11, 2011 9:38 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
Geohot is a fraud and he always has been. Do a dispute on all the paypal donations to teach him a lesson. You owe people an explanations to what was settled as they paid to help you thinking you were fight for their right of the OS.

Your nothing but a fraud and you have done nothing for the PS3 but cost us our other OS feature.

I hope annoymous attacts your sites.

April 11, 2011 9:38 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
wikileaks will get what happened.

April 11, 2011 9:40 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
@webmaster Its a donation. he did not ask for it you gave it at will

April 11, 2011 9:40 AM
Blogger Josh said…
Your all idiots if you thought donating money to Geohot would help in any way, can’t believe you all fell for it.

April 11, 2011 9:40 AM
Blogger Stefan said…
I’m not sure why all you are considering this settlement as loss. My personal opinion is that this was a small vitory.

Go on Geo. Good job.

April 11, 2011 9:40 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
the donation money wasn’t to win the case, but to help it.

April 11, 2011 9:42 AM
OpenID b99ee47c-645a-11e0-8754-000f20980440 said…
At any rate Geo, thanks for your efforts in trying to protect our rights and freedoms at your expense.

April 11, 2011 9:43 AM
Blogger qaz said…
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April 11, 2011 9:43 AM
Blogger qaz said…
@George Hotz
Damm! I was hoping you would ‘jailbreak’ the NGP/PSP 2!!!

Please change your mind!

April 11, 2011 9:44 AM
Blogger Nyuu said…
lol i bet 99% of you never used linux

April 11, 2011 9:45 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
you can still dispute the paypal transaction. he is not a registered charity so you can file a paypal dispute.

I hope he is claiming the money for the donations on his tax return for 2011.

That’s considered earned moeny even if people give it too you. IRS will be sure to make him pay it on his taxes. We might see him fighting the IRS next year.

April 11, 2011 9:45 AM
Blogger Paul said…
Will the terms of the settlement ever be made public?

If not, will there be another announcement of any kind that will show people in any way that they were right to trust you to fight their fight?

April 11, 2011 9:45 AM
Blogger CheeseBiscuit said…
alright dude, Im going to go with you on this one, good luck. It was tough I guess you did what you had to do.

April 11, 2011 9:46 AM
Blogger Glenn said…
I think everyone needs to stop speculating and commenting until after his follow-up post. Also, to those posting about the donations: regardless of the outcome, it was worth the money to keep him from being a martyr for all the pirates he didn’t endorse to begin with. People too quickly forget everything he has done for the hacking scene to begin with and the fact that he has never hid behind anonymity. George, to you I say thanks.

April 11, 2011 9:47 AM
Blogger mrnatbus12 said…
Hi will I just through my PS3 out my window.

April 11, 2011 9:48 AM
OpenID karnaj said…
@webmaster GeoHot isn’t a fraud I do not speak for Anonymous, but I know Anonymous will harbor no ill will against him. Nice try at #FAILing.

April 11, 2011 9:48 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Paul The terms of the settlement agreement are “confidential”

I will attempt to clarify this further in upcoming posts. But if it isn’t already clarified by the work I’ve done on the iPhone, I’m not sure how much more I can convince you.

April 11, 2011 9:48 AM
Blogger zaphod said…
It is completely obvious that sony did not win here.

They aren’t the type to settle if they can win all the way.

He is most likely joining the sony boycott because he’s already been enjoined from possessing sony hardware.

I suspect the answer will be apparent with the next firmware update.

April 11, 2011 9:49 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
He can’t touch anything sony manufactures or he will be back in court and this would be no him fighting sony it would be sony sueing his ass for breaking the agreement.

I bet you they paid him off in the settlement. Things just got settled like that so quick. Geohot is fraud and all you geohot supporters are a bunch of losers like him.

What has he done for the Scene? Tell me? He caused the loss of the other os? If thats a victory your all a bunch of fools.

One good thing about the settlement is we won’t have to hear about geohots sorry ass again. RIP Geohot.

April 11, 2011 9:49 AM
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said…
Geohot is a fraud and he always has been. Do a dispute on all the paypal donations to teach him a lesson. You owe people an explanations to what was settled as they paid to help you thinking you were fight for their right of the OS.

April 11, 2011 9:51 AM
Blogger Pete said…
@geohot I am sure there will be a really good explanation on what happened and why it happened. Sony wants to keep it quiet because any settlement offered to them by you will probably be stolen and made to look as if it were their idea. “Sony we steal while others innovate.” Douche bags couldn’t find their way out of a 2′ x 2′ room with 3 windows and a door.

April 11, 2011 9:52 AM
Blogger qaz said…
Come back to the iOS/iPhone scene where we all loved you!!!!!!!!
We need a 4.3.1 iPad 2 jailbreak!

April 11, 2011 9:53 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
Geohot’s aim for the case was to suit both sides of the argument and if possible win. He tried and thats all that matters. he is not a fraud either as you DONATED to him. It was your choice, so leave him alone?

April 11, 2011 9:53 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
My turn to step up to the plate…
I just made a call to get my PHAT PS3 shipped to me…

Let’s see how far a get with my laptop, a soldering iron, and the internet…

April 11, 2011 9:54 AM
Blogger Paul said…
I thought with “fighting your fight” you were referring to the legal fight to deem rooting consumer devices as fair use.

Obviously I recognise what you’ve done within the iOS scene giving users the means to acquire this right in a practical sense themselves. Good to know we haven’t seen the last of you in that scene.

April 11, 2011 9:55 AM
OpenID aeoaeo330 said…
It really shouldn’t need to be said, but it seems to me that some people here can’t stop and think things through for more than half a second… I’m sure there is far more going on than meets the eye, and am going to wait to see what results.

As for the Sony boycott, most definately, I’ll join up. I got a PS3 and a PSP at the request of a friend and I’ve never seen so much… I don’t even know the right word for it… insanity? lies? deceit? I’m sure there’s a better term for it, but there’s just so much to cover in that one word…

April 11, 2011 9:56 AM
Blogger and0 said…
I trust you bro, in the grand scheme of things I’d rather you have a life then go down as a martyr. I’m sure you did what’s right. Everyone in here bitching would probably be pissing themselves if they even had a taste of yours situation.

Already joined the boycott when this whole thing started. I’ll get stuff second-hand when it can run homebrew.

April 11, 2011 9:58 AM
Blogger Night Breed said…
It seems his settlement isn’t “confidential” anymore. Go to psx-scene.com The documents just came through thanks to gary.

April 11, 2011 10:03 AM
Blogger Adrian said…
yep peps can now read the settlement

April 11, 2011 10:04 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
In general in court cases, the settlement agreement is not filed with the court. If a party is bound by an injunction, that would have to be made available on the public docket.

April 11, 2011 10:08 AM
Blogger Textfree said…
damn and I had my sights set on a new mini disc player too

April 11, 2011 10:09 AM
Blogger Jeremy said…
I’ve been boycotting Sony since they started suing for downloading music. So far, my paltry attempts have gone unnoticed. Perhaps together we can affect real change.

April 11, 2011 10:11 AM
Blogger Quelly Q said…
Pretty glad I decided against donating to you right about now…. months and months of hard talk on GeoHot.com then you steal a bunch of money from the scene and settle outside of court and how convenient that you are “legally bound” to not say anything about the settlement.

I don’t know who’s worse GH or Sony…..

April 11, 2011 10:11 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
He shouldn’t have shot the big mouth of and the video and crap if you are just going to settle he said he wanted things before he would settle and I guess what he wanted was your donations which cover more then the legal bills.

Fraud that is all he is or should I say a scammer. Contact Paypal and tell them you want to dispute the money sent and do charge backs if you paid by credit card to paypal. Teach this fool a lesson.

Boy you piss me off. Don’t shoot the mouth off if your not going to follow threw on what you say and now we should listen to you and boycott sony because you say so? Who the hell are you. I have been boycotting sony since april 1 2010.

April 11, 2011 10:13 AM
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said…
@GeorgeHotz I remember you said you was gonna fight till Sony met your demands…fuckin liar, looks like you are meeting their demands

He took those donations to get his ass out of trouble, than signed a job. I feel sorry for all those who donated to him, you just gave him a job.

April 11, 2011 10:15 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
@webmaster
Geohot isn’t a fraud as your the one who donated to him, he also cannot say anything about the case as it may make it a worse situation

April 11, 2011 10:16 AM
Blogger Josh said…
haha, just read the legal documents. Geohot can’t really touch Sony’s products now without being sued out the ass so looks like Sony won this.

April 11, 2011 10:18 AM
Blogger webmaster said…
You think I’m a fool? I was smarted and waited beforew I would send any money. this wasn’t even a court trial yet just the prelims. Isgauny kiss his ass some more maybe he can get you a job at sony or put a good word in for you.

April 11, 2011 10:19 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
This will affect sony in long term more than short term

April 11, 2011 10:20 AM
Blogger zaphod said…
That document doesn’t have the real story.

The REAL details are in the memorandum of understanding, which is confidential, and direly in need of leaking by someone other then Hotz and his legal team.

April 11, 2011 10:20 AM
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said…
@iShauny Actually he is a fraud, because he took the donations with the stipulations that he is going to fight and not stop, till are ok with his demands

Straight from his blog:

What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It’d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I’m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

Well after reading the court documents, i’m wondering what this lawsuit was all about

George Hotz just accepted what Sony wanted from him in the first place – he could have signed this agreement months ago

April 11, 2011 10:21 AM
Blogger Shane said…
I do feel bad for the amount of flaming he’s going to get. You all need to keep in mind Sony has the manpower and money to continue a lawsuit like that forever. You may not see the results of the lawsuit today or next week but you will.

April 11, 2011 10:23 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
Hilarious that anyone would even consider the idea that I would consider working for Sony. I wouldn’t work for someone I hated, no matter how much they paid me.

@iShauny I believe there is a war coming that extends much much further than “is jailbreaking fair use?” and Sony.

April 11, 2011 10:25 AM
OpenID youarenotastar said…
Well, there goes your chance of a new job.

As I said before, you are a genius and now is a right time to put that to work. be the good boy and hack in the shadows. Stop looking for celebrity status. But be carefull! They are on to you now and they will put you in jail if you mess with the NGP or Xperia or any other SONY device.

Just a few words about you: You talked a lot of #$$# and coulnd cash any of it. You were never in this for “us”, you did this for yourself and I pity the people who donated money to your Holy Crusade.

You got OWNED boyz!

April 11, 2011 10:25 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
Guess this means no Experia hacks…?

April 11, 2011 10:25 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
This case had a choice of going on forever or ending now. Whatever he picks is his choice and i respect him for whatever he chooses.

April 11, 2011 10:28 AM
OpenID e2915764-6461-11e0-9bb7-000bcdcb8a73 said…
And now all the Microsoft shills emerge from the woodwork to pretend there is a grass roots uprising against Sony and that everyone should buy an Xbox from that lovely American company that never break the law….

Pathetic, fucking pathetic if you can’t see how you are being manipulated here.

April 11, 2011 10:34 AM
Blogger zaphod said…
A post appeared and just as quickly vanished above. what the ????

April 11, 2011 10:34 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
Umm… whatever happened to the other post?
Is it considered “encouraging hackin of Sony systems” or something?

April 11, 2011 10:35 AM
Blogger Wow said…
When I pay to watch my favourite team play soccer, I give the club the money and I expect the team to go out there and do their best. I don’t care if they get turned over by a bigger, harder playing team as long as they fight to the end. What I HATE to see is them rolling over and giving up before the final whistle. Not only does it make me not want to come back the next week but it also ruins my belief that they care about the people supporting them. Financially and spiritually.

I guess the early bath suited you more. And that picture of you lifting the cup? Not going to happen as I don’t think even a Sunday league team would take you with your baggage in tow.

Thanks for the drama.

April 11, 2011 10:38 AM
Blogger Quelly Q said…
@iShauny, this case isn’t just between George and Sony, it involves every one who donated as well. People donated with the idea that Geohot would live up to his word and NOT settle with Sony(as he so boldly stated on his website). But that’s exactly what he did. He settled.

April 11, 2011 10:39 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@Wow That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that they are saving their strength for games where the refs aren’t biased and that actually have much more importance to the rest of the season.

April 11, 2011 10:40 AM
Blogger Fabian said…
You have my support.

Not Tv, Not SoundSystem, Not DVD player, Nothing Sony.

From Chile

April 11, 2011 10:40 AM
Blogger retroactive said…
I really don’t get why so many people are pissing all over George here. What the fuck have any of you done, have you ever been under immense pressure to make sure hundreds of thousands are happy and have their rights intact. That would be a burden most people would crack under. If he had to settle to make sure he wouldn’t lose entirely then he had to fucking settle so let it go. Who the he’ll needs a precedent to say yes we own what we buy? I sure as hell don’t need a third party or court to tell me “yes you can do what you want with what you buy”… Guess what, I know I can do what I want with what I own and I will continue to do what I want with my property and I pity those who try and infringe upon that.

April 11, 2011 10:41 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
people donated with the risks, when you buy something you expect it, but you know the risks.

April 11, 2011 10:41 AM
Blogger jelly said…
Hello from Thailand.

Fuck you.
You owe us an explanation on what exactly happened.

Fuck your confidential shit nobody gives a fuck.
Man it up.

April 11, 2011 10:42 AM
Blogger pireslebay said…
Geo your a fucking joke mate!!! A FUCKING SELL OUT!!!, what you gonna do with all the donations then?, I for one want my donation back!!

April 11, 2011 10:42 AM
Blogger jordan said…
Yeah, jailbreak the 3.60 then, earn some respect back.

‘Cus atm i and many others would class you as a fraud, and a lier, “I will not give up until they settle with my demands” now, were your demands “my demands must remain confidential” eh eh eh? i didnt think so, you settled on theres, thus you fail.

April 11, 2011 10:42 AM
Blogger Wow said…
@George : Seasons’ almost up. Bigger team are a shoe in for the title. 30 points clear. Nobody catching them now. Shame ;)

April 11, 2011 10:43 AM
Blogger shawn said…
People Like (NAMES WITHHELD, you know who you are!) are trolls! You bash Geohot without both sides of the story. Before you bash you should have the facts and both sides of the story. You see what Sony has posted and the Stipulation terms of the case but not the facts. As in NO DETAILS… Oh and since you have seen what Sony posted it must be from the word of god right.

Get your head out of your ass, put yourself in Geohots shoes for five minutes. I doubt he RAN away with your money. Sure he and Sony settled but we still don’t know the terms and we may never get the full details… But if you donated to him you were a supporter and now because he walked away with a settlement you want to crucify him without even knowing the full impact of this case. Really?

@Geohot Winning!!!!!

April 11, 2011 10:45 AM
Blogger iShauny said…
as you would say in cod, we may have lost the battle, but the war has just begun

April 11, 2011 10:47 AM
Blogger BricksLamp said…
@Quelly Q

I assure you… after what I just realized and compared to what I read, it’s not what everyone here thinks. Back off of Geo, I know (though not word for word) that this isn’t actually over. And Sony didn’t win. Anyone who donated more than I has somethin’ to say. Sorry, not tryin’ to be an ass, but “when you play the rank game, you gotta have the rank,” and no one I know yet has donated more than myself. I assure anyone who donated to him, it wasn’t in vain at all…

@George Hotz

All I can do is thank you. I refuse to divulge anything I found out. If they wanna know, they can snoop around. And as far as Sony is concerned, don’t sweat the small stuff. You did a great favor to many, and there are plenty of others to pick up the torch. It’s all about fear. They’ll never make it illegal for everyone. We’ve (You’ve) won this one.

Everyone either boycott Sony or hack the **** out of their products! They can’t stop us all!!!

April 11, 2011 10:47 AM
Blogger Robert said…
Heh nice smear of Sony. Yes, Sony likes money, so does everyone. Am I the only person who notice that Geo has only be doing smears and not telling the facts objectively?

April 11, 2011 10:47 AM
Blogger George Hotz said…
@retroactive What I’ve found in all PS3 related matters is no matter what you do, you make tons of people pissed off. You release something, people are pissed. You don’t release something, people are pissed. Sony removes OtherOS, people are pissed at YOU. You settle, people are pissed. You fight, people are pissed. You talk, people are pissed. You stay quiet, people are pissed.

The conclusion I have drawn is that PS3 fanboys are just pissed off.

And no one except me has lost any rights today.

  1. Lorz’s avatar

    The fact that this is part of a settlement agreement between sony and geohot and not a court decision means that no basis of law has been decided….. for one the trial took place in california where “jailbreaking” is already illegal and for two no judge had anything to do with this decision.

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  2. Boom Box Thrasher’s avatar

    This is still bad. The question still remains, can you hack your PS3 like you can your phone?(I know, stupid question.) Another game company is going to unjustly sue a customer over something like this(Most likely Sony, because Microsoft and Nintendo aren’t this stupid.) All because Geohot, who had the popularity, notoriety and moral support of every other person out there failed to hold on a little longer and finally put the question to rest. Not saying I would have done otherwise, but with all that freedom-of-information and right-to-my-console talk you would expect more from him.

    And this boycott won’t do anything. Majority of Sony’s customers just want to use their stuff without any interruptions, even if it means coughing up more and more money and gradually losing their rights to their console. And there’ll still be dimwits out there who’ll buy the NGP/PS4 and start crying for a jailbreak. And there’ll be a dimwit hacker out there to deliver a jailbreak. And Sony’ll sue ‘em. And this whole nonsense will happen over again.

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  3. acacia’s avatar

    Oh man, I forgot about that Maddox page about Sony. That GIF gets me every time.

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  4. H4CREW’s avatar

    GeoHot for president!!!

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  5. Asmith906’s avatar

    If this case wasn’t settled there was a good chance geohot could go to jail or even be buried in mountains of debt. If its between pleasing fickle fans of the hacking scene just read some of the past comments directed at tn and the pro team. hell just read the comments that where directed at DAX i’d try to settle it to. It’s always easy to say what should be done when it’s not your ass on the line.

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    1. Lorz’s avatar

      Agreed…. this case was not going to be won…. it was pretty plain to see right from the beginning that Sony bought themselves a judge…. pretty much let them run rampant and dig wherever they pleased……….

      An American court allowed a Japanese company to violate an Americans constitutional rights and OURS….

      Remember Sony also obtained information on who visited GeoHotz youtube vids and his website.

      Anyone who can forgive and forget Sony or the American legal system for this is seriously blind

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  6. BigFat’s avatar

    just glad to hear George is free but not at the cost of rights

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  7. Mewneko’s avatar

    What’s done is done I guess? I must say though I’m a little uncomfortable with the feel he’s giving off as the war hero who is now being attacked by the masses. Looking at many other sites… People just didn’t seem to like the guy ):. I’m not gonna judge as I don’t know him personally, but I don’t know if its a good idea to give a feeling of being a victim of the people and their wrath. Maybe it’s just me but that is the feeling I get from the quotes on here.
    I can’t say I side with him as I remember when this all first came out. The keys I mean, there was the question of is this right? And the ethics behind using the keys… Plus weren’t some people a bit angry about him releasing them in the first place? Then Sony stepped in and it was the big evil company against the poor little guy. Open source is great. Homebrew is also awesome. But there is a point one can take it too far. A line has to be drawn somewhere. And a company big or small has a right to protect their intellectual property. What you do offline is your business, but you bring that online and its well public. Enabling others to do the same as you and most likely taking steps farther. And you the end user have a right to buy or not buy. If you don’t like the companies practices don’t buy their stuff from the start. Putting your best foot forward and presenting a non-hostile argument would gain a lot more respect I would think. Fighting for your rights, though I fail to fully see what rights “of the people” he was fighting for through tactics that would clearly, from the start, anger the side your looking for rights from blows up in your face.
    Also the quote from the movie ._. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to get from that exactly. All I’m getting is Sean took down Tower records through the fact he was sued by them and now you hate them for suing him o_O??
    One thing that that also baffles me, and has since Anon started their attacks is how people can have so much hate and anger for Sony that they cheer this group on, all the while tsk tsking them for messing with the PSN O_o. As I said before hate the company don’t buy their stuff. Reminds me of the people in outside America hating America all the while wearing American brand clothes and drinking a Coca Cola. But that’s just my little opinion (:

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    1. Mewneko’s avatar

      woo wall of text XD sorry bout that o.o;;

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    2. Lorz’s avatar

      Getting sued is not heroic, i personally do not believe GeoHotz is a “hero”, but what i do think is that this case represents yet another public abuse of the American legal system and yet another attack on its customers by Sony.

      If i sell you a car, i have no right to tell you that you’re not allowed to take that car apart and put other parts in it.
      I have no right to sue you for telling other people how to take it apart and add parts to it, and this is exactly what Sony has been doing, this has nothing to do with “intelectual property”

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      1. Mewneko’s avatar

        I’m not fully understanding the abuse of the legal system part though. He did this not just for personal use but distributed a part of their hardware/software that wasn’t meant for customer use. An exploit that can be seen as a security risk? Sony is allowed to go after that. Especially if you make such a thing public. I mean if you use a service and they tell you you can’t listen to music while using our service. It may seem o_O to you but you have the choice of not using the service and or complaining and that company has the right to tell you how to use their service too. It is their service.
        Hrmms Well if you go with the car idea then, couldn’t you argue that he took Sony’s car keys, ones that were meant for the people they approve to sit in the drivers seat, duplicated them and gave everyone a copy?
        I get that its you property when you buy but, looking at the terms on many a software/hardware and overall products (non-open source stuff) there are parts of that you still don’t fully own. Many things have a don’t mess around with certain parts of this software/hardware and redistribute in their terms.
        I don’t know but that just my view point on it >.<
        I do see a tragedy that the homebrew comm. and Sony may never see eye to eye and the benefits they can give each other. Would have been nice to see both side working together. Its like parents (Sony and the Homebrew people) fighting and we the users are the kids ):

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        1. Lorz’s avatar

          i detailed why it was an abuse of the legal system already above and have went into it many times before that im pretty much sick of repesating myself so i wont

          And i cannot even comprehend how someone could not possibly see that what sony is doing is anything but wrong

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    3. wololo’s avatar

      I think the quote of the movie is to be understood like this:
      - What was the point to fight against big Music corporations, since eventually you lost in court?
      - Well do you think people have been buying more of their products since they won that lawsuit? Would you buy some of their stock options?
      - (implicit answer is no, because the whole Napster thing, despite legally ending on Music Majors’ side, completely destroyed their business model, and the way people think and talk about them nowadays, to a point where nobody sane would bet cash on them)

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      1. Mewneko’s avatar

        Hrms I kinda understand it a bit more ty ^^

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  8. Vince’s avatar

    I’m quite dissappointed…
    In this event that Geohot will never buy another sony product…
    will the xperia play or even the ngp be hacked? o.O
    lets hope so. =S

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    1. Lorz’s avatar

      Dunno dun care… won’t be buying them……. would much rather give my money to a company that doesn’t hate thier customers

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    2. sony can kiss my ass’s avatar

      it will, call one popular console/phone which is not hacked.

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  9. Roberto1’s avatar

    you know what ima do I gonna get the psp2 then iso the games only made by sony and release them lose all your money got a problem?

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    1. Lorz’s avatar

      You wouldn’t get Sonys attention with that, they don’t care about piracy, they completely ignore ISO sites and instead target Homebrew enthusiests and people who want to squeeze a few more features out of thier system

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    2. Boom Box Thrasher’s avatar

      I think you should go ahead for the same reason as Lorz’s. Sony prefers to chase one hacker who’s CFW doesn’t allow piracy around while the real pirates are left to steal to their heart’s content. Why? Because it’s cheaper to sue one guy. They don’t care if they’re trampling on his rights or misinterpreting the law. Just drag the lawsuit as long as it can go, dilly-dally around with useless TROs and trying to prove that the defendant joined PSN when that has almost no relevance to the core debate brought before the court. My friend, you’re welcome to steal all you want. Sony doesn’t care.

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  10. equis’s avatar

    I think GeoHot would not give up in this battle without a very good reason, I don’t know what but it seems to me he has high values, previously demonstrated. Also, Sony had all the chances to win in the court, but went for a settlement… why? There is something more in this case not available to our knowledge that will bring more huge news in the future, I expect to better our world.

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  11. Asmith906’s avatar

    isn’t it more disturbing that he can be fined simply for hacking a sony device even if he doesn’t distribute it over the Internet. I mean is that for a set time. how can they legally enforce something like that?

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  12. Asmith906’s avatar

    Even after all this i’m still buying the ngp. I love me some gadgets

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  13. Dick’s avatar

    Lol. He just got PWNED.

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  14. Krozoa’s avatar

    i will do as I always do, i will only buy sony products once they are hacked.

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  15. dlmultiply’s avatar

    In a way, Geohot is experiencing the things that happened to Solid Snake in the events that transpired between MGS and the start of MGS2. I’d like to elaborate on the parallelisms but unfortunately I’m too lazy to do that.

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  16. Strider Hien’s avatar

    piracy is illegal but it looks like sony is caring more about locking the consoles to homebrews and plugins than to piracy… so foolish…

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  17. omar’s avatar

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdXYz268rPc

    He kind of won and lost if you see this video…

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  18. elac’s avatar

    So….not only did Sony secure the PS3 and any of their products against GeoHot working on jailbreaking them, they also have “secured” that the information regarding his works (on the PS3) and his side of the story on the outcome is “confidential” and not made available to the public.

    Wow!!! I can’t believe our US legal system allowed this misuse of justice to restrict the quest for knowledge.

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