Will Sony be able to patch the fail0verfl0w hack?

A few days ago, team of developers fail0verfl0w revealed major issues in the security system of the PS3. This was quickly followed by major discoveries in the PS3 code, that seemed to mostly show that Sony was relying way too much on obfuscation for the security scheme of the PS3. One of the consequences of this was also the discovery of some critical information regarding the PSP security.

Independent devs all around the world started releasing their own tools to go further in revealing the PS3 internals.

After being quiet for many days, Sony said in a short statement to technological website Edge:

“We are aware of this, and are currently looking into it. We will fix the issues through network updates, but because this is a security issue, we are not able to provide you with any more details.”

Given the details of the security flaw, which basically gave away the entire signing/encryption mechanism on the PS3, including parts that cannot be updated by a simple software update, the statement by Sony is really surprising. Are they trying to mitigate the buzz around this hack?

Several devs involved in this breakthrough stated that Sony cannot patch this without a hardware upgrade… maybe Sony will soon patent a way to upgrade your PS3 Hardware through network :)

That being said, it isn’t impossible that Sony revoke some of their keys to play some cat and mouse game with hackers…To me the best move would be something similar to what is done with the XBox: ban people who use a hacked console online. This way hackers can still have fun offline with the hardware they purchased, while normal players still enjoy a good gaming experience online…

Meanwhile, team fail0verfl0w showed a new video of Linux booting on a PS3 (see below), Geohot showed homebrew running on firmware 3.55 (see below), the PSP Eboot signing announced by MathieuLH seems to get closer, and KaKaRoToKS released a MFW for the PS3 (Modified FirmWare)… seems like things are moving really fast on the PS3/PSP development scene.

  1. Enzeru’s avatar

    LOL Sony seems to be intimidated

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  2. spider-monkey’s avatar

    As I suspected from Sony. Well, good luck to you Sony :D

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  3. yellow’s avatar

    sony is in trouble i dont think they can fix this just by a updater also off topic
    A previously unknown Coderteam, “zero ware” have announced that they release it by the end of the month will be a HEN. With this it should be possible to start ISO’s from the XMB and PSX emulation.
    How far they are, you can see in this text.
    6:20 A zero-ware is a Work in Progress (WIP) of team zero
    I have been reversing Total_Noob’s HEN (systemctrl, vshctrl, etc)
    for 6:20 So that we, team zero, could make an updated / better version of it
    that the users will enjoy (More than now).

    Here’s how the work goes so far:

    systemctrl 90% reversed-fixing up USB patches and other patches
    vshctrl 100% reversed-Adding Virtual PBP patches (ISO and CSO purposes)
    rebootex not started – Will use TN’s if we do not have time for the first release
    satellite (vsh menu) not started – I plan on using our own vsh menu (I might reverse some of TN’s functions, with other functions as well)

    Installer 10% done – planning on adding a graphical GUI (for the users Wink)

    6:20 A zero-ware so will try to fix the bugs of Homebrew crashing on loading, playing, or exiting
    on most of the 3k models (and other bugs we have not discovered yet)
    A zero-ware will therefore have a full version of systemctrl functions (TN did not add the ones for UMD and isofs)
    It also will have ISO / CSO support (you will be able to lauch them via XMB) as well as support PSX dont know if its real thought i think they should not mess around with the nids tn put alot of work in it.

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    1. PSPsHarPEyEz004’s avatar

      well zero ware! congrats!

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    2. Lorz’s avatar

      Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate that other people are trying to make TN Hen better, but do you guys think he would be ok with this? I mean TN HEN isn’t exactly open source as far as i know….. and alot of people are getting credit for TNs work, which might discourage him from making future updates? Am i right? Am I wrong? It just kinda seems to me that TN is getting steamrolled.

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  4. Matt’s avatar

    Personally I hope they can patch it. PSP is one thing, (and I really want an app that let’s me sign my own ps1 eboots), but the PS3 just came into it’s own not that long ago.
    It’s finally selling well, almost all games are getting nice ports (as opposed to those sloppily ported games with massive screen tearing… Assassins Creed, I’m looking at you).

    I don’t want the PS3 to die young. Anyone who is actually idiotic to say that Sony will sell more consoles and thus make more money because of this, I don’t have anything to say to you.

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    1. universalconsole’s avatar

      I’ve never had a ps3 but I agree with you
      handheld’s are easier to design and manipulate but home consoles are a whole different story.
      poor ps3.

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      1. joejoejoe’s avatar

        The PC has had piracy from day one, and it’s still doing fine, companies think everybody is gonna pirate their games, so they don’t make them, they need to get over it not everyone is a pirate

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        1. james1552’s avatar

          They haven’t been doing that great… why do you think Live and Steam exist? They make it harder to pirate games. This is something BIG. Something that cannot be fixed with a software update, this is something to legit be worried about…

          All I can say is, we are going to be expecting a new type of PS soon…

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          1. Norml’s avatar

            Actually, you can pirate games even easier with Steam, no torrents or links to scramble to obtain just a simple crack and you can download all the games you want through Steam. As for Sony, it’s their fault, they took out the OS that people bought claiming it was for security reasons and now their system is completely hacked to the core. Sony’s gaming unit needs a revamp because it’s filled with braindead idiots, the PSP2 as badass as it could be, does not need to come out until then.

        2. JOHN’s avatar

          Well, that’s where the problems come in.. the people who know how to manipulate them can do more than 10000 people could .

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  5. Enigma’s avatar

    I’d rather hack a portable device, because you can take the fun wherever you want…but a console? I can’t/don’t really agree with that.

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  6. Waratte’s avatar

    I hope to cluster up my old ps3 together one day!

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  7. Zen’s avatar

    So i’ll take the question as a no, they can’t patch it without hardware modification. But to be honest, a hacked console doesn’t mean the end for Sony. Like most people said, not everyone pirate games and if they do, they’re not that many to greatly affect the sales as a whole. I think ps3 homebrews are cool since you can push the console to it’s limit not just games. I still believe that Sony should have supported the homebrew community in the first place. And also, the famous ps3 motto “It Only Does Everything” would make more sense as homebrews starts appearing.

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  8. jj’s avatar

    time for the ps4 with even better security

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  9. Enigma’s avatar

    I think it’ll be very interesting to see how Sony produces the PSP2 now that this entire incident happened.

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  10. Kirino’s avatar

    Sony ! game over?

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  11. williand’s avatar

    tn VS sony= sony’s EPIC FAIL

    lol the hen is so nice to have btw yellow if a zero or what ever is true and they do release it after fixes what do you think tn and wololo are gunna do i mean wouldnt that put this a zero thingy in 1st

    (btw if u didnt already know im loyal to wololo and tn only and the things they post saying are good i belive them so if new lcfw gets released and its not from them i dont think imma gunna get it!!!!)

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  12. DBZo07’s avatar

    Sony will soon patent a way to upgrade your PS3 Hardware through network!

    Painful words to Sony by wololo!

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    1. joejoejoe’s avatar

      If it DOES require a hardware patch it’s impossible, they couldn’t do it for the IPL issue for PSP 1K’s and 2K (non ta-88v3), so if it is hardware, be expecting a PS4 a lot sooner :D (or a redone PS3)

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      1. DBZo07’s avatar

        yeah its impossible but thats painful words for sony!!

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      2. james1552’s avatar

        Why would you be happy over a PS4 being released sooner???

        Because of this, a new Sony console will be rushed, meaning lot’s of bugs and failures, and no big games being released for it. Do you know how long it takes to make games? Games that are being made right now are being made for this generation of consoles. This really actually sucks for us and Sony.

        Sure homebrew and pirating will be great for the first few months, then once we stop seeing games coming in, there won’t even be anything to pirate…

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  13. Ah-Chai’s avatar

    Go Sony!!! Ganbatte!
    Make this a good fight with the worldwide hackers! =]

    Good luck to all~ ^^/

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  14. th3pwnsh0p’s avatar

    Soooo, as usual… don’t update?

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  15. svenn’s avatar

    The can’t fix it, as it is not a “bug”. They where flaws in the security… They however can change keys and methods. However once the total break of you’re console has been done, its hard to close all the gates again.

    Beside, sony doesn’t make financial gain on PS3 consoles. They do cover there losses by selling games. Thats why this is a big issue.

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  16. brdzoman’s avatar

    merry crsmas to all orthodox people

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  17. highfy’s avatar

    hahaha sony ne peu rien faire ! il faut changer les carte mére hahahahaha

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  18. Flo’s avatar

    They can’t patch it. And a “hardware upgrade” means a PS4 or a PSP. And why are Sony so uptight about homebrew anyway? Is it because the fear piracy? Piracy has affected every console but the PS3 up till now, and those consoles are still going strong. If piracy is a small problem on other consoles, yet is enough to send Sony into a fit of paranoia and rage, then Sony must be doing something wrong. They must not be treating their customers right.

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    1. Matt’s avatar

      Every other console but the dreamcast had a deterrent. Cartridge based systems were hard to pirate for. Gamecube made you either install a chip or use the PSO hack through network. XBOX required you to plug your console into your PC, opened up, while it was on (I ended up killing one and softmodding another). PS2 was a mod chip or a memory card exploit which didn’t come out until later.

      Dreamcast was symbolic for me because right before the end, I was in Target looking at games and overheard an employee telling a customer “you should buy a dreamcast because you can download games and play them without modding the console!” Pretty soon after that, SEGA called it quits.
      I think there’s still a good market for Sony in all this, but I don’t doubt that once people can simply put games right on the hard drive with no modding or inconvenience, things are probably going to get bad.

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      1. Lorz’s avatar

        Actually it was Sega and the PS2 that killed the dreamcast, not piracy….. everyone wanted to wait to see if the PS2 was better and Sony played on this by purposely delaying the PS2 as long as they could, also the 32X/Saturn fiasco was still fresh in everyones mind, people stupidly thought sega might not support the dreamcast well.

        It was mostly the PS2 though, had sega simply waited a bit longer to release, the dreamcast might have been a success

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        1. james1552’s avatar

          It’s slightly different this time around. Pirating is MUCH MUCH easier than it was before, more people know about. Yes Dreamcast had much more fault from its fall thanks to Sony, thats because pirating wasn’t as big back then. Sony is already losing the present gen sales, if it wasn’t for Playstation 2 (the most sold console to date(which still has more games being released for it)) they would already be down the hole.

          I really hope Sony recovers from this :S I can’t seem to think of buying a God awful Xbox >.<

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          1. Lorz’s avatar

            And here we go again “pirating” is the root of all evil and all the is unholy and bad in the world? Again though it all comes down to this

            Release games that people WANT to buy and they will buy them, yes some will also download them for free, but you will have enough buyers to offset that.

            Keep releasing crap and no one will buy it, the only peopl who will end up with it are the people looking for free downloads.

            so no it’s not “piracy” hurting the video game industry, it’s lack of originality, and the fact that they keep redecorating the same old worn out shoe and trying to pass it off to us as new that is killing the video game industry.

            I dont even own a console besides the PSP, most of my gaming is done on PC with FREE TO PLAY MMORPGs MMOFPS, MMO Racing, etc, and guess what i dont miss consoles at all infact i refuse to buy another, when i did play consoles i got tired of playing the same old relabled garbage all the time.
            With PC at least i dont have to pay for the same old relabeled garbage, and every now and then actually find something original

          2. Lorz’s avatar

            By the way, I’m not
            PRO Piracy”, but i am “Anti Overused Hype”………. Piracy is so bad, piracy is so evil, piracy will cause the world to come to an end, Open your eyes people, you are being manipulated by the media industry into believing any hogwash they choose to shove down your throat.

            NONE of you even know what piracy really is, I’ve known “pirates”, In fact i used to buy bootleg movies off one, he would rent movies from blockbuster copy them and sell the copies for about 1 tenth the price of buying the movie from walmart or whatever…. HE WAS A PIRATE

            There were even guys who tried duplicating the labels and printing them on thier PC in an attempt to fool people into thinkging they were buying an original copy, and charging FULL PRICE…………THEY WERE PIRATES.

            A guy who downloads or shares a file and no money is changing hands? LOL This has been happening since the invention of the cassette tape recorder……. late 60s early 70s maybe who knows, and it ALWAYS will happen……. THEY ARE NOT PIRATES, they are SHARERS.

  19. ivan’s avatar

    will i need a hacked ps3 in order to sign/ecrypt psp stuff?

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    1. Lorz’s avatar

      No… the signing will probably be done using PC software…. or possibly even directly on your PSP….. so at the most you would need a PC and a usb cable.

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  20. ivan’s avatar

    will i need a hacked ps3 in order to sign/ecrypt psp stuff??

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  21. iSWORD’s avatar

    So, Will there be a pandora battery for the 3k ?!

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    1. kirino’s avatar

      NO,it’s diffcult.

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  22. Enigma’s avatar

    No Need for a Pandora, I guess.

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    1. iSWORD’s avatar

      And what about bricked 3ks ?! We need service mode to unbrick them..

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  23. dark assassin’s avatar

    tn hen-c coming soon to support online game play he announced that on psp king.dk
    and he said that he will release a 6.35 downgrader on sunday
    sorry i cant paste the link as i am using my mobile n86 which has browser bug
    also didri released iso loader0.2 beta3 which loads fast in xmb and can switch drives
    you can check all of that on wololos forum

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    1. Matt’s avatar

      TN is releasing a downgrader tomorrow? Or next sunday?

      Found it, looks like he’s had it completed for a while but was waiting for Davee to release his.
      Total_Noob: “I will release it later than Sunday, when Dave’s is not out yet. He was set easily and it will be Open SourceBut please do not start running immediately and tell everyone”
      source:
      http://pspking.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=31326&pid=352306#pid352306

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      1. spider-monkey’s avatar

        Wow thats a very incredible News!! Yeah Davee never release his downgrader so TN to the rescue!!! :D

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